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Old 10-27-05, 05:11 PM
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Family Debate: Does drinking alcohol have any redeeming value?

I am involved in a family debate regarding alcohol. I made a comment that society would be better off if no one drank alcohol. Others mocked me for that comment stated that ANY substance can be abused and that only a very small percentage of drinkers actually cause any problems.

I responded that alcohol has no redeeming value at all and costs associated with drinking run close to 100 billion dollars per year in the U.S. alone. Many thousands of lives are lost because of drinking. Almost half of all automobile accidents involve alcohol impaired drivers. So I maintained that society would be better off without any alcohol.

How would you respond to this debate -- either way? Just curious.
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Old 10-27-05, 05:12 PM
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I don't drink and have seen alcohol ruin 4 marriages in my family so yeah, I'm not a huge fan of it. But hey, to each their own, right?
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Because people are grown ups and can decide how they want to live their lives.

And also some alcoholic beverages, like many red wines, are damn delicious.
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Very first time I found www.dvdtalk.com I was pretty drunk...so no I would say it has no redeeming value.


However I still drink every weekend because I love the sweet taste of my beer while the Hockey Night in Canada theme song is playing.
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Old 10-27-05, 05:17 PM
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Alcohol makes ugly women attractive, so yes there is redeeming value.
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My life would be a lot less fun without alcohol.

And fun has a lot of redeeming value.
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By that reasoning, how bout we ban CARS because of all those accidents. We can use horses or trains to commute.

You cant 'ban' every single thing that can harm people. The government could try to ban everything you dont find a personal value in, but then I guess that would make this place a lot like North Korea.

Some people find joy in beer, wine, smoking, skateboarding, football, ice fishing, rock climbing, camping, hunting, boxing, jogging.

Every one of those things can kill you and could cause fatal accidents. If you dont personally like them, thats no reason for banning them. The 'purpose' they serve is recreation for those that enjoy them.
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You know, water kills a lot of people too - how about we ban that?
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Originally Posted by rmw
I am involved in a family debate regarding alcohol. I made a comment that society would be better off if no one drank alcohol. Others mocked me for that comment stated that ANY substance can be abused and that only a very small percentage of drinkers actually cause any problems.

I responded that alcohol has no redeeming value at all and costs associated with drinking run close to 100 billion dollars per year in the U.S. alone. Many thousands of lives are lost because of drinking. Almost half of all automobile accidents involve alcohol impaired drivers. So I maintained that society would be better off without any alcohol.

How would you respond to this debate -- either way? Just curious.
I'm sure the economic impact of the banning of alcohol would be much more than the cost associated with drinking. And yes it's a small percentage of drinkers that cause the problems. I drink every week. I've never killed anyone or hurt anyone because of it.

And were are you getting your stats from anyway? Over 50% of auto accidents are alcohol related? I'd sure like to see were you are getting that from. Although I'm pretty sure of the source. And if I'm right it's definately no place I want to see unless you are a chick.
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The health benefits of red wine are well documented. Do a search on google.

Red wine has been associated with a number of health benefits, including a lower rate of heart disease.

An ingredient in red wine may also prevent herpes, according to a recent study.

The ability of red wine to ward off colds may be due to its antioxidant properties
Not only will the bar skank look a lot better after a few glasses of wine, but you can also bang her without a condom and not get herpes. Although I woudn't personnally recommend doing this.

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Old 10-27-05, 05:30 PM
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Your "family" would most likely not be a "family" without alcohol.
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"I drink so that I can talk to idiots. This includes myself"
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I don't like the idea of banning anything. It seems to me that the people who want to ban stuff usually just don't want others to do it. They think they should be able to get away with anything. Right now I'm pretty much like whatever gets people through the day. I don't smoke & I don't like it if someone blows smoke in my face, but I still think that they should have the right to smoke. How would dvdtalkers like it if movies & tv were banned? I think we'd be pretty pissed off.
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Apparently the OP hasn't heard about the 18th amendment to the Constitution.


p.s. It failed...miserably.
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NOT banning.

Hold it. I never said anything about banning alcohol. Obviously that's ridiculous. (Didn't we try that once?)

The debate is whether society is BETTER off with drinkers or NOT.

In other words . . . If alcohol were never developed, would society today be better off or worse off? Does alcohol have too many negatives that outweight the positives. That's what the family debate is about. I maintain that the negatives of alcohol consumption outweigh the positive benefits in society as a whole.
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You chose this as your first topic to discuss on a DVD Forum? Are you drunk?
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Originally Posted by eXcentris
The health benefits of red wine are well documented. Do a search on google.


Yes, that point was made by a family member. However is the slight positive effect of red wine on the heart (which, by the way, is being disputed in several new studies) enough to offset all of the negative effects of alcohol. Alcohol is implicated in more that 100,000 deaths per year.
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Originally Posted by rmw
Hold it. I never said anything about banning alcohol. Obviously that's ridiculous. (Didn't we try that once?)

The debate is whether society is BETTER off with drinkers or NOT.

In other words . . . If alcohol were never developed, would society today be better off or worse off? Does alcohol have too many negatives that outweight the positives. That's what the family debate is about. I maintain that the negatives of alcohol consumption outweigh the positive benefits in society as a whole.
Well, if you lumped the 'undevelopment' of drugs into your hypothetical society, it'd probably have a lot less interesting art, music, literature, etc...
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Do we really all want to be a nation of Flanders?
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Originally Posted by Rockmjd23
Alcohol makes ugly women attractive, so yes there is redeeming value.
Upon seeing the thread title I immediatly thought of this.
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There have been many medical studies indicating that for most people, 3-5 alcoholic drinks per week, or even as much as an average of one per day, can have sustantial health benefits.

Sure, you can cite statistics about alcohol-related deaths -but please also cite some statistics about deaths caused by high fat foods, or high cholesterol intake, or lack of sugar control for diabetics.

Those who can use alcohol responsibly owe no justification or explanation to do-gooders.
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Another redeeming value would be
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Old 10-27-05, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DAC
Upon seeing the thread title I immediatly thought of this.
So alcohol has contributed to population growth. That could be another negative. Thanks for pointing that one out.
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Do we really all want to be a nation of Flanders?
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