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Old 04-25-05, 09:13 AM
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My friend's theory: gay men created skinny girls/models! Yay or nay?

I was talking with my friend Pudman about skinny vs. fat, etc. and he told me this:


But generally, the film/TV/model standard of thin is very unattractive
to me. My theory is that it was developed by people in the fashion
industry (i.e. gay men) who are attracted to young boys, so they
think beautiful women should looks like boys and not like women,
and as with anything else, the general public got used to it and began
to believe that really was beautiful.



I said I'd always heard that skinny women display the clothes better on the runway.

He said:


That's what gay men will tell you.

Seriously, I've always wondered about this runway thing...who does
it really influence besides people rich enough to buy those clothes?


Maybe he's right. Skinny seems to be the in thing as fashion models have become more prominent.
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Old 04-25-05, 09:22 AM
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Ummm..i don't know ANY gay men who are attracted to:

1) skinny guys

2) young boys

I think you're confusing pedophiles with homosexuals.
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I'll tell him!
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Old 04-25-05, 09:29 AM
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Interesting notion. I have always been a fan of the hour glass figure on a woman myself. A gay friend of mine sometimes points out women that he said he'd date if he were straight...and these women are often rail-thin with no hips...so you may have a point.
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Pudman? Who do you think you are -- Jerry Seinfeld?

The "thin is in" thing dates back to the Romantic era (early 19th century), when dying of consumption (aka tuberculosis) was the sexiest thing imaginable due to the sheer romance of slowly wasting away. There's probably also an influence from the Protestant ethic that gluttony is a sin and obesity a sign of gluttony, and the desire of suffragettes and particularly flappers to minimize the physical aspects of their femininity.
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Originally Posted by Geofferson
Interesting notion. I have always been a fan of the hour glass figure on a woman myself. A gay friend of mine sometimes points out women that he said he'd date if he were straight...and these women are often rail-thin with no hips...so you may have a point.
I'm just the opposite of your gay friend. If I was straight, I would be more attracted to females with some curves: "Tara" from "Buffy", Kate Winslet, etc.
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Originally Posted by JasonF
Pudman? Who do you think you are -- Jerry Seinfeld?


Was there a Pudman reference in Seinfeld? He got it from a movie. (bonus points if you know which one-shouldn't be that hard)
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He gave himself a nickname?
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Old 04-25-05, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by LiquidSky
I'm just the opposite of your gay friend. If I was straight, I would be more attracted to females with some curves: "Tara" from "Buffy", Kate Winslet, etc.
Good man.
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Ummm..i don't know ANY gay men who are attracted to:

1) skinny guys

2) young boys
Well I certainly do.

Buford, I agree with your friend's theory.
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If by "young boys" he meant 18-20 year old, maybe he would be on to something. I certainly like "young girls" and sadly that age bracket is very young to me now.
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As far as male preferences are concerned, I like a man my age or older, stocky, or even fit as long as he has some beef on his bones (the furry chest etc. doesn't hurt either). If I was straight in another life, I don't know what type of woman I would like, but I'd like to think if I did prefer a slim(er) body on a female it would be because they took care of themselves and were physically fit. Maybe that's part of why society looks up towards the thinner female body. It takes A LOT more work to have a slim figure and be in shape. Although in recent decades its gotten so out of control with eating disorders and other extreme behaviors that people have lost sight of the fact that being thin should be a reflection of a healthy lifestyle, not a "lets get thin at any cost" mentality.


Edited to add: I'm know there are of course gay men (usually older) who do prefer slim, younger looking men, just as straight men do with women.

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As a counter to Jason's "consumption" theory, maybe it's just because it's easier to design clothes for people who are little more than a clotheshanger with a head and legs? No curves = easy tucking, pinning, and altering.
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I would tend to agree, simply because a woman who looked like a man would naturally be more attractive to a gay man (before you get offended: not ALL gays im sure, but MORE attractive than if she were made up like a voluptious bikini model). Ive seen ads in fashion mags where women were intentionally dressed up like men, open shirts with flat chests. I had to do a double take to notice that it was in fact a woman not an effeminate man.
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Originally Posted by Numanoid
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Yes. No. I'm not sure.
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I've long theorized much the same as your friend. I remember a few years ago when a famous desinger had pissed off a famous model when he said her boobs were too big and that she shouldn't wear his designs. Look at fahsioin mags, it's all bout thin and gender bending.

Anyway, I saw this designer talking about thin models and she said that one main reason why "uber thin" became chic back in the 60's was that the designers wanted The Clothes to make the statement and not the model. Twiggy was "ground zero" for this idea. Before that, models were closer to "real women" in terms of size.

Marilyn Monroe would be considered fat by today's Fashion standards.

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Old 04-25-05, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by JasonF
Pudman? Who do you think you are -- Jerry Seinfeld?

The "thin is in" thing dates back to the Romantic era (early 19th century), when dying of consumption (aka tuberculosis) was the sexiest thing imaginable due to the sheer romance of slowly wasting away. There's probably also an influence from the Protestant ethic that gluttony is a sin and obesity a sign of gluttony, and the desire of suffragettes and particularly flappers to minimize the physical aspects of their femininity.

I Thought it was the opposite? "Being thin" was considered bad because a person with "meat" on them was seen as 1. eating well 2. making enough money to eat 3. not thin from illness.

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If my sex object doesn't have boobies--thank God!--I'm not gonna let your sex object have them either!!
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Originally Posted by Rockmjd23
This theory makes more sense to me than some sort of gay conspiracy.

Weeeell don't totally discount the "theory" I'm sure there's some truth to it.
After all, Designers are "artists" and an Artist is naturally going to put what appeals to his/her senses on their work. To think that they wouldn't is just silly.
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Originally Posted by adamblast
If my sex object doesn't have boobies--thank God!--I'm not gonna let your sex object have them either!!

Hey, if I could paint I would paint women with big titties......
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Weeeell don't totally discount the "theory" I'm sure there's some truth to it.
After all, Designers are "artists" and an Artist is naturally going to put what appeals to his/her senses on their work. To think that they wouldn't is just silly.
Yeah, but to think that there is some huge motive to it is silly also.
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Who cares about the label 'conspiracy' anyway?

Who cares why the fashion designers do what they do? They dont MAKE you buy their clothes. Rich women buy into their concept of beauty and its often like 'The Emperor's New Clothes' as far as thats concerned.

As many of the gay men have piped up in here, each individual has their own sense of attraction. If designers like fem guys and it shows in their work, its not going to affect me in the slightest.
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I don't agree at all with the statement. This is my opinion:

I am a gay man and find Kirstie Alley to be quite beautiful in the face. If you put Kirstie Alley and Britney Spears in a lineup for heterosexual men, I would bet that most heterosexual men would go for Britney.

If you put Brad Pitt and John Goodman in a lineup for gay men, I'd bet most would choose Brad Pitt.

Image is a societal thing and I really doubt it was created by gay men.
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Originally Posted by LiquidSky
I'm just the opposite of your gay friend. If I was straight, I would be more attracted to females with some curves: "Tara" from "Buffy", Kate Winslet, etc.
Kate Winslet is beautiful. It always bugged me that she was considered "fat."
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Except for Victoria Secrets models, I never understood the fascination with runway models not to mention the 'fashions' that they modeled. Most aren't attractive and the clothes looked like something most women wouldn't be caught dead in.
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