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Michael Jackson, you bad, bad boy!

Old 01-06-05, 03:09 PM
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Michael Jackson, you bad, bad boy!

The Smoking Gun has details from the allegations against MJ and it is not pretty. One small snippet:

If the harrowing and deeply disturbing allegations in these documents are true, Jackson is a textbook pedophile, a 46-year-old predator who plied children with wine, vodka, tequila, Jim Beam whiskey, and Bacardi rum. A man who gave boys nicknames like Doo Doo Head and Blowhole and then quizzed them about whether they masturbated and if "white stuff" came out. A man who conducted drinking games with minors and surfed porn with them on a laptop in his Neverland Ranch bedroom, noting that if anyone asked what they were looking at, the kids should just say they were watching "The Simpsons." A man who frequently talked sex with his little companions and explained that "boys have to masturbate or they go crazy." A man who told one pajama-clad boy that he wanted to show him how to "jack off." When the tipsy child declined the demonstration, Jackson announced, "I'll do it for you," and buried his hand in the boy's Hanes briefs, size small. And a man who emphasized to his little friends that these activities were "their little secret" and should not be disclosed to anyone, even if a gun was at their head.
The article cited above goes into details of the investigation and the evidence discovered on the ranch. Wow.

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Old 01-06-05, 03:13 PM
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That's just sick.
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Old 01-06-05, 03:17 PM
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Michael Jackson a pedophile? No. Freaking. Way.
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Old 01-06-05, 03:21 PM
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Why is it whenver a black man hooks up with a white boy, all the white dudes freak out? Hmm...
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Old 01-06-05, 03:25 PM
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Black man? Where?
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Black man? Where?
no kidding, he hasn't been black since 1982
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Old 01-06-05, 03:39 PM
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Just finished reading 5 pages of accusations and coverups. I would post the lacivious parts, but that would be 75% of the article.

I bet MJ wished he had just gone to Thailand instead.
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I demand he place his hand inside the boy's Hanes briefs size small and prove that it fits!

Plus, whitey is always coming up with condemning things that like whole "DNA" thing. Might as well call it "Do Not Accquit" since that's obviously what it was made up for. DNA... who believes in that scientific microscopic white man's mubmo jumo. I'm starting with the man in the mirror and it's time whitey did too!

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Old 01-06-05, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Pistol Pete
I bet MJ wished he had just gone to Thailand instead.
That would involve him admitting to himself what he actually does... Instead, Jackson has always had denial wrapped around him like a 500 ton blanket. He never faced that he'd screwed up his nose. He never faced that he'd bleached his skin to appear white. He's more of the "subconscious" monster/molester profile... that never admits to themselves the full reality of what they're doing, and instead has a million empty excuses and justifications of being a "buddy"...

Not that he's any less repulsive or dangerous for being driven by things he doesn't even recognize. A less rich/powerful/isolated man wouldn't have been able to decieve himself on so many subjects for so many years. I hope he's never in the position to warp anyone else again.
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Having just paid my mortgage, car insurance, and student loans, I'd be glad to let him jack me off for a $20,000,000 settlement.
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Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson
Having just paid my mortgage, car insurance, and student loans, I'd be glad to let him jack me off for a $20,000,000 settlement.
Can I watch?
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Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson
Having just paid my mortgage, car insurance, and student loans, I'd be glad to let him jack me off for a $20,000,000 settlement.
Maybe post the offer on eBay and see if someone will pay you more...
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Originally Posted by adamblast
That would involve him admitting to himself what he actually does... Instead, Jackson has always had denial wrapped around him like a 500 ton blanket. He never faced that he'd screwed up his nose. He never faced that he'd bleached his skin to appear white. He's more of the "subconscious" monster/molester profile... that never admits to themselves the full reality of what they're doing, and instead has a million empty excuses and justifications of being a "buddy"...

Not that he's any less repulsive or dangerous for being driven by things he doesn't even recognize. A less rich/powerful/isolated man wouldn't have been able to decieve himself on so many subjects for so many years. I hope he's never in the position to warp anyone else again.
It is only your assumption that he is unaware of what he is and what he has done. We have no way of crawling inside his head to know if his denials were calculated publicity spin or the indications of mental illness.
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Old 01-06-05, 04:21 PM
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It is only your assumption that he is unaware of what he is and what he has done. We have no way of crawling inside his head to know if his denials were calculated publicity spin or the indications of mental illness.
Very true, and as I've tried to make clear, I don't think his crimes are any less serious either way. It simply fits the cultural facts we've known about him for 25 years, primarily, his inability to deal realistically with his own body... and anything other than his own fantasy world.
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Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson
Having just paid my mortgage, car insurance, and student loans, I'd be glad to let him jack me off for a $20,000,000 settlement.
Yeah, that's all fine and well, but you're not 12 years old, are you?
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Originally Posted by adamblast
Very true, and as I've tried to make clear, I don't think his crimes are any less serious either way. It simply fits the cultural facts we've known about him for 25 years, primarily, his inability to deal realistically with his own body... and anything other than his own fantasy world.
Fair enough.
The thing is... people with mental illnesses like Anorexia and Bulimia, usually don't offer excuses for their appearance. Their damaged self-image causes them to view themselves as being overweight. They'll come right out and say that they need to lose weight.

Jackson on the otherhand, simply outright lies about his plastic surgery and his sexual issues. Lying is an indication that the person telling the lie understands the consequences of telling the truth. If he were truly delusional, he wouldn't think that there was anything wrong with what he's doing and he'd simply tell it like it is, or be silent. I don't think he'd craft lies to cover up his activities.
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Well I guess this kinda stuff will happen when you play with fire. Hard to say whether he's innocent or the family is looking for a decent payout.
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Jackson on the otherhand, simply outright lies about his plastic surgery and his sexual issues. Lying is an indication that the person telling the lie understands the consequences of telling the truth.
Like a Scientologist, he may have no qualms at all about lying to his "enemies" when he feels he has been wronged. And I think you're underestimating his ability to lie to himself... Through years of "parsing" the truth, consoling himself with justifications, and only surrounding himself with agree-ers...

I'm not sure, for example, that he thinks he *is* lying when he says he's only had one nose job, or didn't dye his skin. How can anyone rationally say those things and expect to be believed? They are untrue at face value. The only explanation *I* can fathom is that he's full of empty rationales, like-- "The others weren't plastic surgery. They were only corrections of the first surgery." "or "I didn't bleach my skin. I only bleached a few blemishes, but then I had to even it out." Bullshit, clearly. But someone who has no reality-checks can thrive on bullshit.
If he were truly delusional, he wouldn't think that there was anything wrong with what he's doing and he'd simply tell it like it is, or be silent. I don't think he'd craft lies to cover up his activities.
His justifications and defense of "sleeping with boys in beds" seems delusional to me, and just the kind of thing you're talking about... Certainly not the actions of someone who knows they're doing wrong, or in immediate jeopardy of being called a molester again...

This is all just my own empty speculation, of course. I think people like him (or Howard Hughes) are fascinating examples of how money and power can create a false universe, and ultimately warp the mind.
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Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson
Having just paid my mortgage, car insurance, and student loans, I'd be glad to let him jack me off for a $20,000,000 settlement.
With the non-gloved hand??
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Having just paid my mortgage, car insurance, and student loans, I'd be glad to let him jack me off for a $20,000,000 settlement.


wow that's good stuff.
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can't wait until this perversion goes to jail and gets beaten on a daily basis

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/michael...ksonhouse.html
And then there was the underwear.

Since the victim told detectives that, after sexual encounters, Jackson had him swap his dirty underwear for clean garments, investigators were on the lookout for the brand and size the boy said he wore--Hanes white briefs, size "small." The inventory reveals that the raiding party booked into evidence item #327, "Underwear: Hanes: White boys underwear located in Paris' bathroom." Paris Jackson is the singer's six-year-old daughter.

On a related note, agents cut away portions from the top and bottom of Jackson's mattress, and walked out with the entertainer's mattress pad.

Jackson's bathroom, where he apparently spends quality time, yielded all sorts of interesting items, including open bottles of Jack Daniels and Pinot Noir, a book "containing nude photographs of men," two nude art magazines, and three "books containing nude photos in plastic bag." Other assorted items scooped by the raiding party were a "book containing pictures of children on beach," a photo inscribed "To Apple Head," a letter addressed "Dear Apple Head," commercially produced photographs of semi-nude girl, and a Liza Minnelli Christmas invitation.

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Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson
Having just paid my mortgage, car insurance, and student loans, I'd be glad to let him jack me off for a $20,000,000 settlement.
$20 mill, is that the full settlement or just the lump sum?

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http://thesmokinggun.com/michaeljack...ksonhouse.html

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