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Old 11-22-23 | 09:52 PM
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Daryl Hall suing John Oates, obtains restraining order

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Daryl Hall gets restraining order against John Oates amid legal battle.

Daryl Hall has filed a restraining order against his one-time musical collaborator, John Oates. The pair made up the pop rock duo Hall & Oates, and put out 18 studio albums together between 1972 and 2006.

Hall filed the temporary restraining order request in a Nashville Chancery Court on Nov. 16. Oates and the co-defendants – his wife, Aimee J. Oates, and business manager Richard Flynn, who are both co-trustees of his trust – were served on Nov. 20.

It is unclear what promoted the restraining order, but it is labeled as a Contract/Debt case on the website for the Nashville Chancery Court. CBS News has reached out to Hall's attorney as well as Flynn for further information, and is awaiting a response.

While they put out several hits like "Rich Girl" and "You Make My Dreams Come True" and were nominated for five Grammys together, the duo appears to have grown apart. During an interview on the "Club Random with Bill Maher" last year, Hall said they've "always been very separate."

"John and I are brothers, but we are not creative brothers," Hall said. "We are business partners. We made records called Hall & Oates together, but we've always been very separate, and that's a really important thing for me." Hall also said he did most of the work, citing the duo's 1980 song "Kiss on My List," for which Oates is not labeled as a songwriter, but Hall is.

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Old 11-22-23 | 10:49 PM
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Actually makes me a little sad.
Old 11-22-23 | 10:54 PM
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I enjoy the "Live at Darryl's House" show quite a bit, but he does come off as a bit distant and not a people person.

It is a shame that it's just a business relationship with those guys. The need for a restraining order seems odd.
Old 11-22-23 | 11:08 PM
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Ehh, I can't go for that

Saw them in concert a couple of years ago, great seeing and hearing them live. Bummer
Old 11-23-23 | 12:06 AM
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I don’t understand this suit and restraining order. So they’re in a fight over their finances? They haven’t recorded an album together in many years. So they’re pointing fingers at each other about the books. C’mon now.
Old 11-23-23 | 01:11 AM
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Sounds like they're out of touch...
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Old 11-23-23 | 01:20 AM
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It disappoints me greatly. They're both filthy rich, and Oates wrote many great songs for the partnership. I'm a big fan, but this seems ugly.
Old 11-23-23 | 02:12 AM
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That seems like a really aggressive move by Hall, but I have it on good authority that his bark is much worse than his bite.
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Old 11-23-23 | 10:34 AM
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Gone from Hall & Oats to Hall Vs Oats.
Old 11-23-23 | 10:56 AM
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Hall better Cool It Now, because Oates is Too Legit to Quit. They used to get along like Ebony and Ivory but now Hall has no Sympathy for the Devil and Oates may end up a Fool in the Rain. Oates is going to be feeling the Grapes of Wrath while Hall will lean back and say It's a Wonderful Life. That's my Pythagorean Theorem anyway.
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Originally Posted by L. Ron zyzzle
Hall better Cool It Now, because Oates is Too Legit to Quit. They used to get along like Ebony and Ivory but now Hall has no Sympathy for the Devil and Oates may end up a Fool in the Rain. Oates is going to be feeling the Grapes of Wrath while Hall will lean back and say It's a Wonderful Life. That's my Pythagorean Theorem anyway.
You put way too much thought into this post. Go have some turkey.
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You put way too much thought into this post. Go have some turkey.

I had to stop myself before I started mentioning famous paintings ...
Turkey comes much later today.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and all!
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Old 11-23-23 | 11:57 AM
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It's common for successful bands to break up in a flurry of lawsuits, but those two have been working together for fifty years. I would have thought that they'd have settled every important issue years ago.
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Ehh, I can't go for that

Saw them in concert a couple of years ago, great seeing and hearing them live. Bummer
I did too and we actually left the concert quite a bit early. They played every song at half speed with zero energy. It was terrible. Probably one of the most disappointing concerts I have ever been to.
Old 11-23-23 | 02:18 PM
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They were good when we saw them a few years ago.



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So the restraining order is that Hall wants to get paid whenever Oates performs their songs on his solo tours. Guess Hall is pissed he’s not getting paid as well. So he legally put a hold on that.
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I wish they would put aside their differences and reunite.

There are probably millions of dollars they are leaving on the table for a possible reunion tour and do it now before their key demographic of listeners kick the bucket.
Old 11-23-23 | 10:27 PM
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I wish they would put aside their differences and reunite.

There are probably millions of dollars they are leaving on the table for a possible reunion tour and do it now before their key demographic of listeners kick the bucket.
They'd been playing together fairly steadily up until last year (and even did several dates together last fall). Not exactly "reunion" material.



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I wish they would put aside their differences and reunite.

There are probably millions of dollars they are leaving on the table for a possible reunion tour and do it now before their key demographic of listeners kick the bucket.
What? They toured together last year.
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https://variety.com/2023/music/news/...73e828aa12daf1

The official reason for the restraining order:

The mystery of why Daryl Hall obtained a restraining order against John Oates has been solved, at least in part, now that part of the case has been unsealed by a Tennessee judge who previously ordered all details to be kept under wraps. It’s now been revealed that Hall is attempting to block his longtime musical partner from selling his share in their joint venture to Primary Wave Music.

On Friday afternoon, the Associated Press was first to report the actual reason for the restraining order, after the judge quietly unsealed some — but not nearly all — of the case two days earlier, on Thanksgiving eve.

According to the AP report, what it is that Hall can’t go for is Oates’ desire to sell his share of the duo’s Whole Oats Enterprises to the investment firm, which already purchased a “significant” stake in their catalog rights 16 years ago. Hall has indicated that he regrets not owning all his publishing.



Chancellor Russell Perkins agreed to block Oates from making the sale for now, in response to the contention from Hall’s lawyers that such action appeared imminent, due to Oates’ team having signed a letter of intent with Primary Wave.

The next court hearing has been set for Nov. 30. That proceeding will happen well before the current restraining order would likely expire.

According to the AP report, Hall’s team says in the newly unsealed part of the lawsuit that Oates’ team let Primary Wave see the duo’s joint business agreement, which was to have remained confidential. As a result, “the entire Unauthorized Transaction is the product of an indisputable breach of contract,” Hall’s lawyers claim.



Arbitration between the two singers’ teams was instigated by Hall Nov. 9, but he nonetheless believed that Oates would immediately proceed with the sale to Primary Wave, the request for a restraining order indicated. The lawsuit indicated that an arbitrator had not even been agreed upon yet.

Parts of the lawsuit remain under seal, with the judge apparently agreeing with Hall’s attorneys that it contains details that are covered under the confidentiality agreement they say Oates breached in his dealings with Primary Wave.

Neither Hall’s nor Oates’ reps have responded to requests for comment since the restraining order became public. Variety has reached out for comment to Primary Wave, whose office is closed for the holiday weekend.

Back in February 2007, Primary Wave announced that it had acquired a “significant interest in the song catalog of Daryl Hall & John Oates.” The New York Post estimated the sale of a rumored half-interest in the catalog to Primary Wave at between $25-50 million for the duo. Soon after, the company also bought the copyrights for about 70 songs written by sisters Sara and Janna Allen, including their share of Hall and Oates smashes like “Maneater,” “You Make My Dreams” and “I Can’t Go for That (No Can Do).”
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Sorry I did not follow them that closely
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They were at their best when they were playing the blues (or on the Blues)



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That makes sense, and I still hate to see it, but I respect Hall's position in terms of holding onto publishing rights more now.
Oates' net worth is estimated at 60 million, (Hall is worth about 70 million) which on balance for both seems relatively small for their legacy. As a plebe I don't see why either needs more, but I'm not rich so I don't really understand.
As Cyndi Lauper (50 million) says 'Money Changes Everything'.
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That makes sense, and I still hate to see it, but I respect Hall's position in terms of holding onto publishing rights more now.
Oates' net worth is estimated at 60 million, (Hall is worth about 70 million) which on balance for both seems relatively small for their legacy. As a plebe I don't see why either needs more, but I'm not rich so I don't really understand.
As Cyndi Lauper (50 million) says 'Money Changes Everything'.
It could be a matter of either estate planning or cashing out now or both. If Oates sells the rights now he gets a lump sum instead of a stream of revenue every year. He's getting up there in age and might want to spend it. He might invest it at a better ROI than the stream it's a good move. It might also make it easier to pass along. The flip side is that Hall might not want to be business partners with the hedge fund. They are about making money not preserve the artists' legacy and vision.
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Here they are in happier times. I've always liked the goofiness of the video.



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