Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023
02-02-23, 11:53 AM
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Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023
They need to just change the name to The Modern Music Hall Of Fame at this point (or something like that).
I know they won't, but it would sure make more sense with the variety of music and musicians they induct each year. Especially while so many prominent and important "Rock and Rollers" keep getting left out while sometimes questionable choices make it in.
I know they won't, but it would sure make more sense with the variety of music and musicians they induct each year. Especially while so many prominent and important "Rock and Rollers" keep getting left out while sometimes questionable choices make it in.
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Phodg (02-08-23)
02-02-23, 01:02 PM
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Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023
No.
It's its own genre. If anything, artists in this genre should take pride that it's so big and DIFFERENT that it gets its own label and identity and culture. Hip hop/Rap is a primary genre of music that has sub-genres within it. When you go to iTunes, or Spotify, or whatever streaming music platform you use, do you have to go to Rock N Roll first to find all the Hip Hop/Rap music? No. It's its own category, and there's nothing wrong with that
It's its own genre. If anything, artists in this genre should take pride that it's so big and DIFFERENT that it gets its own label and identity and culture. Hip hop/Rap is a primary genre of music that has sub-genres within it. When you go to iTunes, or Spotify, or whatever streaming music platform you use, do you have to go to Rock N Roll first to find all the Hip Hop/Rap music? No. It's its own category, and there's nothing wrong with that
02-02-23, 01:07 PM
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I agree with it being its own genre but feel a rapper could have enough influence in rock to get a spot in the hall of fame. And no I don’t feel Missy Elliot is such a rapper.
02-02-23, 03:04 PM
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02-02-23, 11:25 PM
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02-05-23, 04:15 PM
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Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023
The actual museum is cool. Lots of artifacts, instruments, iconic clothes, etc., but I've completely given up on the actual inductees. They blew through all the heavy hitters too quickly and now they're just picking up their personal favorites, a fan favorite or two just to shut them up, and trying to appeal to fans of tangential genres.
02-07-23, 08:49 AM
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02-07-23, 12:51 PM
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Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023
She may not be in the Dre / Jay Z / Tupac stratosphere, but she's no slouch. Billboard ranked her as the #19 all-time rap artist and Rollinhttps://www.billboard.com/lists/best-rappers-all-time/]g Stone[/url] picked Get Ur Freak On as the #38 all-time rap song.
And currently there are no female rap acts in the R&R HoF. Representation is important to the organization.
And currently there are no female rap acts in the R&R HoF. Representation is important to the organization.
02-07-23, 06:45 PM
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02-08-23, 11:54 AM
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Missy Elliot?
I visited Cleveland in 2019 and went to the RnR Hall of Fame. I'm sorry, no one will ever be able to make a valid argument to allow artists who are firmly NOT part of the Rock N Roll genre to be inducted into the Rock N Roll HoF. If you're going to let musicians of ANY genre in, just rename the place the Music Hall of Fame.
Otherwise, letting R&B and rap artists in is Woke 101. Can't wait to be accused of being a racist by some posters.
For the record: Eminem? Nope, shouldn't ever be inducted either. Black artists who actually were/are part of the rock genre, IE Jimi Hendrix, Prince, and Chuck Berry? Absolutely deserve to be there
I visited Cleveland in 2019 and went to the RnR Hall of Fame. I'm sorry, no one will ever be able to make a valid argument to allow artists who are firmly NOT part of the Rock N Roll genre to be inducted into the Rock N Roll HoF. If you're going to let musicians of ANY genre in, just rename the place the Music Hall of Fame.
Otherwise, letting R&B and rap artists in is Woke 101. Can't wait to be accused of being a racist by some posters.
For the record: Eminem? Nope, shouldn't ever be inducted either. Black artists who actually were/are part of the rock genre, IE Jimi Hendrix, Prince, and Chuck Berry? Absolutely deserve to be there
05-03-23, 08:07 AM
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New York, NY – May 3, 2023 – Today, The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation announces its 2023 Inductees in the following categories:
Performer Category
Kate Bush
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Rage Against the Machine
The Spinners
Musical Influence Award
DJ Kool Herc
Link Wray
Musical Excellence Award
Chaka Khan
Al Kooper
Bernie Taupin
Ahmet Ertegun Award
Don Cornelius
The announcement was streamed on Apple Music 1 during a one-hour special with hosts Ebro Darden, Rebecca Judd, Matt Wilkinson, Brooke Reese, and Kelleigh Bannen with special guests Sheryl Crow and Bernie Taupin.
“This year’s incredible group of Inductees reflects the diverse artists and sounds that define rock & roll,” said John Sykes, Chairman of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. “We are honored that this November’s Induction Ceremony in New York will coincide with two milestones in music culture; the 90th birthday of Willie Nelson and the 50th Anniversary of the birth of Hip Hop.”
The Ceremony will be held at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York on Friday, November 3rd, and will return to Cleveland in 2024.
Performer Category
Kate Bush
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Rage Against the Machine
The Spinners
Musical Influence Award
DJ Kool Herc
Link Wray
Musical Excellence Award
Chaka Khan
Al Kooper
Bernie Taupin
Ahmet Ertegun Award
Don Cornelius
The announcement was streamed on Apple Music 1 during a one-hour special with hosts Ebro Darden, Rebecca Judd, Matt Wilkinson, Brooke Reese, and Kelleigh Bannen with special guests Sheryl Crow and Bernie Taupin.
“This year’s incredible group of Inductees reflects the diverse artists and sounds that define rock & roll,” said John Sykes, Chairman of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. “We are honored that this November’s Induction Ceremony in New York will coincide with two milestones in music culture; the 90th birthday of Willie Nelson and the 50th Anniversary of the birth of Hip Hop.”
The Ceremony will be held at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York on Friday, November 3rd, and will return to Cleveland in 2024.
05-03-23, 08:09 AM
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Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023
I wonder if Kate Bush will travel to go to ceremony...
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05-03-23, 08:56 AM
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05-03-23, 10:10 AM
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Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023
Kate Bush - POP
Sheryl Crow - POP/SOFT ROCK
Missy Elliott - RAP
George Michael - POP
Willie Nelson - COUNTRY
Rage Against the Machine - ROCK
The Spinners - POP/DOO-WOP
Sheryl Crow - POP/SOFT ROCK
Missy Elliott - RAP
George Michael - POP
Willie Nelson - COUNTRY
Rage Against the Machine - ROCK
The Spinners - POP/DOO-WOP
05-03-23, 11:43 AM
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05-03-23, 02:14 PM
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Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023
Britney Spears, New Kids On The Block and Backstreet Boys will get in before Iron Maiden, Joy Division, King Crimson and Jethro Tull.
Slayer should have been in before any of this years nominees made it. The entire thing is a joke.
Slayer should have been in before any of this years nominees made it. The entire thing is a joke.
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05-03-23, 03:07 PM
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Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023
I didn't realize Slayer wasn't in yet either. That's absurd.
05-03-23, 05:48 PM
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Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023
Pretty dismissive because in addition to Baroque Pop she has a lot of Art Rock,Prog Rock and Alt Rock songs. She's arguably more influential then even Beefheart,Kraftwerk,The Residents and Frank Zappa among the big names of Experimental Music.
Only because of rigid genre snobbery she wasn't inducted years ago
Only because of rigid genre snobbery she wasn't inducted years ago
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05-03-23, 10:59 PM
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I recognize that I'm a middle-aged white guy. But still - Missy Elliot gets in before Iron Maiden? Yeesh.
05-04-23, 12:16 AM
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Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023
They need to just change the name to The Modern Music Hall Of Fame at this point (or something like that).
I know they won't, but it would sure make more sense with the variety of music and musicians they induct each year. Especially while so many prominent and important "Rock and Rollers" keep getting left out while sometimes questionable choices make it in.
I know they won't, but it would sure make more sense with the variety of music and musicians they induct each year. Especially while so many prominent and important "Rock and Rollers" keep getting left out while sometimes questionable choices make it in.
True and maybe hard to say and admit Rock N' Roll is probably a outdated term and not a lot of bands that would fit in that criteria of music today and going into the future.
Maybe you can have branches and subcategories where Iron Maiden is in the music hall of fame under the Metal branch or hall.
05-04-23, 12:44 AM
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Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023
I’m pretty sure Joy Division/New Order is going to get in the next time they’re nominated — after The Cure and Depeche Mode got in, it seems obvious that they and The Smiths are due up.
05-04-23, 07:27 PM
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Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023
My social media is exploding with outraged Maiden fans losing their shit.
I don't get it. Why the outrage?
I mean, I've been a Maiden fan since 1982 and they are only second to Sabbath as my favorite metal band, but it bothers me not at all that they didn't get "inducted" or whatever. The Rock Hall of Fame is not the arbiter of what constitutes important, lasting, or influential in music. They started in the 80s as Jan Wenner's little c!rcle-jerk of pompous, elitist, and mostly overweight white male Boomers, a smug collection self-appointed gatekeepers and curators of what THEY considered the be-all end-all of popular music. They basically knighted themselves as "the final word" in Rock.
They've gotten better over time, SLOWLY, in terms of accepting genres/sub-genres that they previously snubbed entirely (metal and prog, mostly), as well as growing the diversity in their voting base beyond the Dave Marsh bloatfests.
Regardless, you either buy into their legitimacy, or you don't. I don't, and never have. I don't celebrate when bands/artists that I love get in. I don't complain when they don't. Although I did go to the 2019 Induction Ceremony, but that's only because my wife's favorite band was being inducted (Def Leppard, don't hate, I know...) Had a great time, but that's because it was a fun night out in Brooklyn. I didn't view it as any kind of coronation or anything.
And yet all these people losing their sh!t. Over nothing. Do they get this pissed over the National Geographic Society?
At least the Grammys, which in a lot of ways are even dopier and more misguided than the HOF, originated from WITHIN the music and recording industry.
I don't get it. Why the outrage?
I mean, I've been a Maiden fan since 1982 and they are only second to Sabbath as my favorite metal band, but it bothers me not at all that they didn't get "inducted" or whatever. The Rock Hall of Fame is not the arbiter of what constitutes important, lasting, or influential in music. They started in the 80s as Jan Wenner's little c!rcle-jerk of pompous, elitist, and mostly overweight white male Boomers, a smug collection self-appointed gatekeepers and curators of what THEY considered the be-all end-all of popular music. They basically knighted themselves as "the final word" in Rock.
They've gotten better over time, SLOWLY, in terms of accepting genres/sub-genres that they previously snubbed entirely (metal and prog, mostly), as well as growing the diversity in their voting base beyond the Dave Marsh bloatfests.
Regardless, you either buy into their legitimacy, or you don't. I don't, and never have. I don't celebrate when bands/artists that I love get in. I don't complain when they don't. Although I did go to the 2019 Induction Ceremony, but that's only because my wife's favorite band was being inducted (Def Leppard, don't hate, I know...) Had a great time, but that's because it was a fun night out in Brooklyn. I didn't view it as any kind of coronation or anything.
And yet all these people losing their sh!t. Over nothing. Do they get this pissed over the National Geographic Society?
At least the Grammys, which in a lot of ways are even dopier and more misguided than the HOF, originated from WITHIN the music and recording industry.