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Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)



New album was originally scheduled for June but pushed back to August.

Track listing:

1. Eternal Rains Will Come
2. Cusp of Eternity
3. Moon Above, Sun Below
4. Elysian Woes
5. Goblin
6. River
7. Voice of Treason
8. Faith in Others

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Re: Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)

Can't wait for this one, was really bummed they pushed it back. I don't care if there's no growling, I was in the minority it seems and liked Heritage.
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Re: Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)

Heritage grew on me but I liked it right away anyway. I just didn't care for the sound of it - too lo-fi.

This one sounds a lot better to me.
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Re: Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)

I used to think the opeth guy had a great singing voice, when it was only little snippets here and there between all the growls. I don't believe it's strong enough to fill a whole album. I couldn't make it very far into this song. His voice just has this pretentiousness to it now, that just irks me.
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Re: Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)

So this one is "out there" now.

First listen impression: it's basically a more focused continuation of Heritage. "Cusp of Eternity" is probably the strongest track so I'm not surprised it's the one that was pre-released. I liked "Voice of Treason" a lot on first listen, same with "Faith in Others". The rest will take some time to gel for me, like Heritage did.

They've pretty much morphed into a prog rock band now. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but I do miss the pre-Heritage Opeth.
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Re: Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)

I'll have to seek this out. Already got my pre-order in for the LE vinyl set, but I'm very curious to hear this one now.

I agree that prog-Opeth isn't a bad thing, but Mikael has the most unholy growl of anyone working in metal today, so to have it go unused is a bit disappointing.
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Re: Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)

Gotta give it a couple of more listens, but for the most part I like it. Moon Above, Sun Below should have been edited some. The first 6:20 is pretty good, but the rest drags. Also I could do without the instrumental track. The River is one of my favorite slower songs they have done. It stars out almost like a southern rock ballad.
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Re: Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)

Yeah the instrumental "Goblin" is one Mikael talked about a lot in interviews - basically his homage to the band Goblin. I was expecting more from it.
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Re: Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)

So there is a stream of this thing on YouTube.

Honestly, after listening to it twice, it sounds like a Phish album.

I canceled my vinyl pre-order, but judge for yourselves.
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I think there's just too much of that "organ" sound. A little goes a long way towards a retro vibe. Too much, and you just sound dated.
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Re: Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)

There is a lot of organ. The guitar aspects are good but repetitive. The vocals are fine, and they are a little more varied than Heritage.

Overall, it's just so boring.

I want to add this: I went into the second listen trying to listen as if I knew nothing about Opeth. Is this an objectively good album? I just don't think so. My first impression was that it's a moderately decent bluesy chill out album. On second listen, I picked up the strong smell of Phish. But maybe that's just me!

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My initial impressions still stand. I'm not connecting with a lot of this - the last two tracks seem to be the most interesting along with the first "single".

I read somewhere that Mikael said if he does another heavy Opeth record it will 100% death metal. That to me seems to miss the point of what made Opeth so great - the brutality paired with the beauty.
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Glad they streamed this. I typically would blind buy anything with Opeth on it, but after "Heritage" m mind has been changed. They are certainly capable of putting out a mellow album and having all the necessary elements that make them "Opeth". "Damnation" certainly proved that. So much of the material on these last two albums sounds a little aimless and wandering. A real shame as I know they can certainly do better than this. I'll be skipping this one for now...
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Re: Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)

I hate to say it, but I think Opeth really peaked from "Blackwater Park" to "Watershed."

Now they're just too goddamned proggy.
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Re: Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man View Post
I hate to say it, but I think Opeth really peaked from "Blackwater Park" to "Watershed."

Now they're just too goddamned proggy.
I agree with your first statement.

As to your second, I don't think they're proggy enough these days. I guess prog is in the eye of the beholder!
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Re: Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)

My deluxe edition arrived today. Me, being a moron, didn't notice the album wasn't included on vinyl. I just made an assumption because the phot showed so much damn vinyl in it. Turns out, it's three 7" singles with the album on CD and a Blu-ray with some enhanced audio. Oh well, whatever. It's a nice little package at least.
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Re: Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)

I've given this like 6-7 spins now, and I still cant latch on to much on it. I really like "Cusp of Eternity" but everything else seems devoid of passion. Even Heritage grabbed me more after this many listens. I've come to like that record a lot, warts and all. This one - I'm not sure it will happen.
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Re: Opeth - Pale Communion (8/25/14)

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man View Post
I hate to say it, but I think Opeth really peaked from "Blackwater Park" to "Watershed."

Now they're just too goddamned proggy.
I think I would include Still Life in that range, but otherwise, yeah you're spot on.

I loved Steven Wilson's influence on Blackwater Park and Deliverance/Damnation, but now I feel like Mikael is trying too hard to mimic the stuff Wilson is doing with his solo project, which is light years ahead of this as far "prog" goes.
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Originally Posted by Jippy View Post
Glad they streamed this. I typically would blind buy anything with Opeth on it, but after "Heritage" m mind has been changed. They are certainly capable of putting out a mellow album and having all the necessary elements that make them "Opeth". "Damnation" certainly proved that. So much of the material on these last two albums sounds a little aimless and wandering. A real shame as I know they can certainly do better than this. I'll be skipping this one for now...
I was in Best Buy Tuesday night for a totally different reason and this was staring at me on the shelf so I decided to pick it up anyway. I listened to it in the car this morning since I had an hour drive. I'm warming up to it. Listening to a stream on my computer without decent speakers versus a quiet ride in the car to immerse yourself really changes your perspective. Still not sure if I will end up liking this more or less than Heritage. It is definitely a continuation of that album, but I'll see if my opinion changes after a couple of weeks.
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I agree with your first statement.

As to your second, I don't think they're proggy enough these days. I guess prog is in the eye of the beholder!
Morningrise and MAYH were always my favorites.

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