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[baritone]Tee hee hee[/baritone]

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I don't think Michael asked for those things out of pride; he just hated being mobbed. That's why he rarely did anything normal around others, because it turned into a madhouse.

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Just kidding, geez!!

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I wrote this for my Facebook page, to commemorate the anniversary today.

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In Loving Memory
Michael Joseph Jackson
August 29, 1958 - June 25, 2009

One of the most talented and dedicated musicians and humanitarians of the last century, Michael Jackson was also a troubled individual. He suffered from major depression, made all the worse by much of the mass media consistently slandering him. Late in his career, he was fully acquitted of child-molestation charges, and in the summer of 2009, he was working on a concert series called "This Is It". Sadly, the world never got to witness the King of Pop's return, as he died of a propofol overdose four years ago.

On this day, may all who knew and loved him celebrate his music, life and legacy. God Bless your spirit forever, Michael; we miss you.

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BTW : the Cirque show debuts on the 29th. I'll be going a week from tonight. I'll be sure to post impressions here. My mom saw a preview performance and said it's great.

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rotfl so wrong... and yet :lol:

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Cungar, you have no respect at all for the dead.

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The best thing about not having respect for the dead is that the dead will never know.

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He probably doesnt have any respect for dead freaky cross dressing weirdo dipshit child molesters. You can keep defending him all you want but that is exactly what he was.

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There was never any solid evidence that Michael molested anyone. His handlers settled the 1993 case against his will, and the Arvizo family's testimonies kept switching so much they fall apart. Shortly after Michael's death, Jordan Chandler's father Evan committed suicide.

Also, when did you ever see Michael cross-dressing? Some of his outfits were a little strange, but nothing like what you're suggesting.

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Say what? That cartoon advocates the protection of little angels.

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That article's just a series of claims by a previously-unknown "investigator", with no links to sources for the validity of such records. Given how crazy the 2003 trial was, why wouldn't such damning evidence have been included? Sneddon was desperately looking for anyone to condemn Michael, and his own witnesses turned against him. All these "other victims" or their families could've shown up then, but they didn't.

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Two men who have been in a loving relationship for decades want to get married: "We must stop these evil-doers!"

Michael Jackson wants to molest a child: "Rape away, pal!"

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I was there i still have my seat cushion and the card that was held during the show. He was an amazing performer but it is terrible what he did to all those kids.

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Catholic style.

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I never said that, and you know it. Mocking me gets you nowhere.

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I guess I'm one of the few that never believed Michael did any of this. He was weird no doubt but I just don't believe because all of it from what I've seen has been about getting money and lying and backtracking off the allegations. Michael put himself in a bad position but that doesn't mean he's guilty.

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Pedophilia allegations aside, do you believe Michael Jackson was heterosexual?

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Is Prince heterosexual?

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I have no idea. :shrug:

I was just asking bootsy a question.

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I don't know. I don't really care tbh.

Seems like he's had a lot of relationships with women or at least some connection: Cher, Madonna, Lisa Marie Presley, Diana Ross, etc. I don't see too many connections with men in his past.

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Okay. Thanks for your response. :thumbsup:

But yeah, Madonna, Diana Ross and Cher...he was quite the pussyhound. -wink-

The Lisa Marie Presley marriage was a tad bit awkward though.

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FWIW I don't believe MJ ever molested children. That said, I do believe he was completely incapable of realizing what appropriate behavior with children entailed, e.g. having sleepovers where they'd share the same bed, no matter HOW innocent in intention and behavior, is really fucking WRONG. :shrug:

Just a feeling, anyhow. I could be wrong. I blame the parents who put their children in that situation.

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Did you read my post on the first page of this thread? All the cancer kids in Southern California waited all year for the day that their unit was invited to Neverland Ranch. It was a goal they literally lived for. If you were the parent of one of those kids, pre-public alligations, how could you tell your kid they couldn't go to Neverland? And why? Once Michael made his "special friends" during the day trips, things progressed from there. But again these are sick kids from poor families. It's hard to know, in the moment, what would or wouldn't be appropriate. Everyone knew about Michael & Webster, Michael & Macaulay Culkin. He liked to hang around with cute kids in his big house. He was a superstar. If you're laying this all on the parents, you need to re-think things

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Not true. It gets me fleeting acceptance from the cool kids.

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Thank you; someone with common sense.

After Michael's death, Lisa Marie confided to Oprah Winfrey that their marriage was real in every sense of the word. She said she believed that Michael loved her as best as he knew how to love anyone, but he also protected himself with a manipulative streak. So many people had abused or betrayed him, and he lived in fear of it happening again. Lisa even said that Michael confided to her his fear of dying similarly to her father, but she brushed it off at the time. In late June of 2009, she titled her blog response "He Knew".

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Why did Zombie Michael Jackson decide to visit Hell's K-Mart?



He heard Prepubescent Ghost Boy's Pants were half off.

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Okay.

So I went to see Michael Jackson : One last night at Mandalay Bay (it premiered on Saturday, and the story was immediately overshadowed by the death of a performer onstage at Ka the same night). I think any fan of MJ's music will love the show. It has far less acrobatics than any Circque show I've seen before, though there is still a little like a cool floor exercise routine and a surprisingly entertaining fedora-juggling bit with Chinese acrobats. Mostly it's lots and lots of dancing. There's an artistic shadow dancing performance of "What About Us (Earth Song), an impressive solo dance number that felt sort of like the world's best So You Think You Can Dance audition and mostly lots of Michael-less recreations of his greatest music videos with dancers perfectly copying his moves and costumes in songs like "Beat It", "Smooth Criminal", "The Way You Make Me Feel" and of course"Thriller". There wasn't a ton of video tributing on stage, though Michael appears in lots of clips and thanks to a sharkscreen appears to dance with the cast during "Man In The Mirror". It wasn't nearly as reverential to deifying the icon as the touring show Immortal was (Thankfully "Childhood" is nowhere to be found in this show). I was a little worried that it would take on the tone of "poor persecuted Michael" since it opens with a Tabloid theme, thankfully they quickly leave that topic behind. This one is much more about the music (and the music videos). I liked it a lot. Any fan of the music will certainly have a good time. Check it out the next time you're in Vegas.

BTW : For those curious, they do bleep out the anti-Semitic slurs in "They Don't Really Care About Us", but leave in the f-bomb and Janet's middle finger in "Scream".

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Absolutely fucking not. To think otherwise, you'd have to be insane.

To put it simply:

Pre-allegations, I'd have no problem with my children visiting the Neverland Ranch.

Pre-allegations, I'd have no problem with my children spending the day with Michael Jackson.

Pre-allegations, I'd have no problem with my children staying overnight at the Neverland Ranch.

But you bet your hairy ass, pre-allegations, I would have checked into the accommodations and have been ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE that my children would not be sharing a bed with a grown adult, no matter whether or not "he was a superstar" or was buddying around with Webster or McCauley Culkin or whomever else.

Anyone who let their children share a bed with an adult male is a failure as a parent and have no one but themselves to blame if their child was sexually assaulted. Other than the pedophile, of course.

And that said, no, I don't think Michael Jackson molested children.

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I can't say whether or not he had sexual contact with children. But I think you can assume that, barring any medical issues, he had the normal sex drive of an average adult male his age. And I think Michael was clearly VERY confused about what types of relationships were appropriate between children and adults---I think he had a very hazy concept of himself as an adult. He did not seem to be comfortable hanging out with other male buddies his own age, nor going the Charlie Sheen route with tons of sexual conquests, nor with really having long-term romantic relationships with women.

I wouldn't put a lot of money on Michael really having a strong grasp of the idea that "No--this type of behavior is normal and pleasurable for adults like myself, but it's completely inappropriate between myself and and my young friends".

Maybe I'm wrong, and you can certainly argue that weirdness and arrested development don't necessarily lead to sexual abuse of children---but if you don't even know why you shouldn't share your bed with young children that aren't related to you, then you've already got some major problems, IMO.

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I'm pretty much in total agreement with this.

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His name is Emmanuel Lewis. Let's not treat him like a nobody because he is a former black dwarf TV star. Or a midget. Or whatever. He's a man, he's 42!

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I guess that would depend which standard of appropriateness you're talking about. Michael grew up sharing bed space with his brothers, so the notion of it being wrong to just watch TV with a kid in that scenario never seemed odd to him. In his mind, those kids were his friends, nothing more or less.

Michael didn't trust a lot of people, even many in his own entourage. Ever since his own childhood, adults had manipulated and forced their own will on him. He never experienced the innocence of simply being an everyday, run-of-the-mill kid. As for women, it doesn't seem like he knew what to do regarding personal relationships, much less anything physical. He'd had a major emotional bond with Diana Ross for years, to the extent that he named her co-guardian in his will. When asked point-blank if he'd pursued a sexual relationship with Brooke Shields, Michael replied, "I am a gentleman".

Michael knew all too well how wrong sexual contact was with children; that's why he often said he'd rather slit his wrists than harm them.

For the record, I don't recall Michael ever saying he shared the same bed with a child during the night. Many times, he and others described the kids having Michael's bed, while he took another or slept on the floor.

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I was hoping to steer this thread towards the music and the new Cirque du Soleil show, but since we're on this instead.

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1:08 "I have slept on the bed with many children. I sleep in the bed with all of them."

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I'm sure he didn't see anything wrong with it, and that's my point. When you're not able to grasp the huge difference between watching TV in bed with your siblings as a child---and watching TV in bed as a 30 year old man with 10 year olds that you're not related to, you've got some serious problems already. Emotionally and mentally healthy 30 year old men simply don't prefer the company of children, and you have to be even LESS healthy to have that desire and not recognize that something is amiss, and act on it.

Well, YOU understand that sexual contact between a child and adult is harmful to the child---I don't know that Michael understood that. I'm sure for many pedophiles, they think they're simply giving the child physical pleasure, and don't see a sexual relationship with somebody they relate to as being on their level as "harming" them. As I said, I don't know that MJ abused children, but I'm not convinced he would have even understood it was wrong.

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I stand corrected, but remember this is from the severely edited documentary by backstabber Martin Bashir. Michael had his own camera crew taping all those interviews as well, and Bashir described Michael as a loving father.

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It's sort of pointless to argue about what really happened as it's pretty unknowable at this point. The arguement can go round and round, but it'll never get anywhere.

Besides, if the question is his legacy, I'd say it's VERY secure. My daughter is a 12 year old girl, and among her friends, he is so revered (much more so than when he died four years ago). It seems a lot to me the way John Lennon was remembered by my generation after he was shot in 1980. They all love him and his music. They actively search his videos on You Tube. Mirroring the Cirque shows, it's the Elvis fans who have to worry about legacy -- even in Vegas, it's slipping away as the nostalgia for him and his music wanes (especially with young people). Michael Jackson seems to be the only artist besides the Beatles whose popularity is transcending generations. (And yes, my daughter insisted on getting a pink Michael Jackson t-shirt last night).