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Hokeyboy 11-29-16 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12957626)
I may have what you're looking for. $120 shipped from Pop Market with coupon code POP20: https://www.popmarket.com/products/t...-vinyl-box-set

The site is legit if you haven't heard of them. For $12 per disc I ordered.

For $120 shipped, I couldn't say no. Thanks for the heads up :up:

Why So Blu? 11-29-16 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12958352)
They had a video of someone opening it. There's a tab on the back that says "Sacrifice" and it runs all the way across the mid section of the outer packaging. The sleeves are held inside. I've now got the sleeves sitting outside the outer packaging in an external sleeve, which is what I do with all my albums anyway so in that sense it's not really any worse than any other album. But if you keep your inner sleeves in the original packaging then yes it will be cumbersome.

If you try to open the flap on the outside instead of using the rip tab it says underneath "Stop trying to control everything and just let go" :lol:

Damn! :lol:

Supermallet 11-29-16 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by statcat (Post 12958360)
Does anyone have the rolling stones mono set? I ordered one over the weekend.

I'm waiting for the individual releases. The Stones' 60s discography has always been super haphazard compared to The Beatles. The Beatles made it real easy. The UK releases are the "real" albums and all the non-album tracks fit onto two discs (unless you're counting mono vs stereo mixes but even then it's not much). All of their albums through Magical Mystery Tour were mixed to mono with the band's approval and then stereo without input from the band, and the band mixed the White Album in both stereo and mono themselves. After that, no mono.

The Stones are not so neat and tidy. The band didn't really care about the tracklisting on their albums until Aftermath, and same with mono or stereo mixes. Releases would have a mix of mono and stereo, or mono fold-downs of albums only mixed in stereo or fake stereo made from mono-only mixes. So there is a lot of content in that box that isn't true mono, and also a lot of duplicated content because there are UK and US versions of the same albums (and US only compilations like Flowers that duplicate material elsewhere in the box). I know that the entirety of Beggars Banquet is a fold down from stereo, albeit a very well done one, and I believe that Let it Bleed is the same. It's a mess really, which is why I can understand the everything and the kitchen sink approach they took.

Personally, all I want is Aftermath and Between the Buttons. Supposedly Satanic Majesties is better in mono but really my problem with that album isn't stereo, it's the songwriting. And maybe I'll get Beggars Banquet too because the fold down on that really is excellent.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, the music in that box is uniformly excellent, and the sound quality is great too.


Originally Posted by Hokeyboy (Post 12958365)
For $120 shipped, I couldn't say no. Thanks for the heads up :up:

I'm happy so many people decided to jump on that deal. It's a great set by all accounts and of course the music is just terrific.

statcat 11-29-16 08:39 PM

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I know the discography is a complete mess and very confusing. Aftermath in the box and some others are supposed to sound superb. I always liked Satanic Majesties but unfortunately this set doesn't reproduce the lenticular cover. I don't think it's as well done as the Beatles mono set (book looks cheap, cover art quality/colors sometimes lacking and the source isn't strictly analog). The attention to detail like the Beatles set just isn't there. I bought the stones mono set for a little under $200 shipped so I couldn't refuse though. I had no intentions of buying it but for that price it wasn't much of a decision.

This is the most detailed review I've seen so far,

Note: I wonder why they cropped UK Aftermath and changed the scaling on Satanic/cropped the back


Supermallet 11-29-16 09:08 PM

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Honestly it's a ton of great music, and yes the records themselves are supposed to sound fantastic. Hard to go wrong, IMO.

statcat 11-29-16 09:49 PM

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Another thing I grabbed was the Queen Studio box. Again something I never intended to buy but for a bit over $200 it was a must buy to me.

slop101 11-30-16 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by statcat (Post 12958480)
Another thing I grabbed was the Queen Studio box. Again something I never intended to buy but for a bit over $200 it was a must buy to me.

It's one of, if not THE greatest box-set I have.

CRM114 11-30-16 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12957679)
I could have done without the live album or the repeated tracks on the black album for an even cheaper set, but the material on the studio albums is remarkably excellent, especially once you get to The Kinks Kontroversy and on.

I don't even know what the "Black Album" is but you need that because it has "Days" - one of the finest Kinks songs ever.

As for mono/stereo, I was once berated by an old guy in a store when I was holding an original copy of "Something Else" - I was told that it was crap and only the mono was worth listening to. I have two stereo copies - monos are hard to find as they are only UK I believe.


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12957679)
Supposedly Satanic Majesties is better in mono but really my problem with that album isn't stereo, it's the songwriting.

Haha. I was just reading a back and forth between Andy Partridge (XTC) and Robyn Hitchcock on Twitter debating what was the greatest psych album of all time: Satanic or Piper. (Andy chose Satanic, Robyn Piper) Andy believes (and I tend to agree) that the Stones get a bad rap for that record - it's actually really good and original stuff.

That being said, I don't buy any reissues if the originals are accessible. I make exceptions - for example, I've yet to find a quiet copy of Love's Forever Changes so the reissue is welcome.

CRM114 11-30-16 11:31 AM

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So my RSD as I mentioned involved no RSD merch but a frenzy on semi-tough to find albums.

I got a bunch of original Blue Notes, some Coltrane, Black Flag, and various other stuff. Anyone ever hear "The Legend of Henry Cow"? Wow.


On Sunday, I went to another record store to see what was left of the RSD merch. I got:

- Bob Dylan - The Real Royal Albert Hall 1966 Concert
- Amanda Palmer and Jherek Bischoff - Strung Out In Heaven (Bowie tribute with ex. cover of Blackstar)
- Jaco (Original Soundtrack)
- Middle Brother 10" pic disc

Ravenous 11-30-16 12:28 PM

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So for you Mondo shoppers, they are doing Free Shipping on Vinyl the next week I believe.

Today they made available an awesome release of Gremlins. I watch that movie every year and though the soundtrack is not epic, I think the package they are doing is very cool where it reacts to sunlight and even moisture. Hope they're not substituting packaging for sound.

I also decided to blind buy Naked Lunch. I have never seen the movie but their write up caused me to hear some of the tracks on youtube and its a pretty neat jazz infused score. Im really excited for it.

Dan 11-30-16 12:46 PM

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Decided to pass on Gremlins, but ordered Ninja Scroll and The Boy and The Beast.

Supermallet 11-30-16 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 12958847)
I don't even know what the "Black Album" is but you need that because it has "Days" - one of the finest Kinks songs ever.

As for mono/stereo, I was once berated by an old guy in a store when I was holding an original copy of "Something Else" - I was told that it was crap and only the mono was worth listening to. I have two stereo copies - monos are hard to find as they are only UK I believe.



Haha. I was just reading a back and forth between Andy Partridge (XTC) and Robyn Hitchcock on Twitter debating what was the greatest psych album of all time: Satanic or Piper. (Andy chose Satanic, Robyn Piper) Andy believes (and I tend to agree) that the Stones get a bad rap for that record - it's actually really good and original stuff.

That being said, I don't buy any reissues if the originals are accessible. I make exceptions - for example, I've yet to find a quiet copy of Love's Forever Changes so the reissue is welcome.

The Black Album was a compilation, which is fine and it does have some essential non-album tracks as you mentioned, but they could have included a Past Masters style comp that only included tracks not already on the main albums.

As for Satanic, I actually think it's quite overrated. It was panned as a "me too" album after Sgt. Pepper, which is a little unfair, but I think this reappraisal of it as an all time great psychedelic album is giving it too much credit. Also Andy and Robyn are both wrong, the best psychedelic album of all time is The Piper at the Gates of Dawn.

statcat 11-30-16 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12959072)

As for Satanic, I actually think it's quite overrated. It was panned as a "me too" album after Sgt. Pepper, which is a little unfair, but I think this reappraisal of it as an all time great psychedelic album is giving it too much credit. Also Andy and Robyn are both wrong, the best psychedelic album of all time is The Piper at the Gates of Dawn.

I don't know what I'd pick as best psych album, there's so many. The first album and Easter Everywhere by the 13th Floor Elevators deserve a nod. Pretty Things SF Sorrow should be up there too.

I thought Satanic is pretty universally hated but it's got to be at least in a top 10 of 60s psych albums. Some of the songs are crap but 2000 Light Years, Citadel, 2000 Man etc. are great. She's a Rainbow is a total rip of She Comes in Colours by Love but I like it. I agree Piper is way better.

Geofferson 11-30-16 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12959072)
The Black Album was a compilation, which is fine and it does have some essential non-album tracks as you mentioned, but they could have included a Past Masters style comp that only included tracks not already on the main albums.

As for Satanic, I actually think it's quite overrated. It was panned as a "me too" album after Sgt. Pepper, which is a little unfair, but I think this reappraisal of it as an all time great psychedelic album is giving it too much credit. Also Andy and Robyn are both wrong, the best psychedelic album of all time is The Piper at the Gates of Dawn.

Solid analysis. They essentially needed to combine tracks taken from The Black Album, The Kinks Kronikles and the Lost Kinks album. That should have pretty much covered everything. I agree...I could listen to 'Days' for, well, days.

Piper is tough to beat for psych. I actually think Satanic is a worthy entry in the genre. I also think The Byrds 5th Dimension deserves some credit for its influence.

Supermallet 11-30-16 07:00 PM

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Got my VPI up and running. I know I haven't got it dialed in with 100% accuracy but I think it sounds pretty damn good.

Edit: Actually I think it sounds great. This is the best some of my music has ever sounded, and I haven't even gotten my new speakers yet, nor do I have a proper tube power amp at the moment.

CRM114 12-01-16 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12959072)
The Black Album was a compilation, which is fine and it does have some essential non-album tracks as you mentioned, but they could have included a Past Masters style comp that only included tracks not already on the main albums.

As for Satanic, I actually think it's quite overrated. It was panned as a "me too" album after Sgt. Pepper, which is a little unfair, but I think this reappraisal of it as an all time great psychedelic album is giving it too much credit. Also Andy and Robyn are both wrong, the best psychedelic album of all time is The Piper at the Gates of Dawn.

I noted, probably inarticulately, that Robyn Hitchcock argued Piper At the Gates Of Dawn as the best. Its what most people agree on including myself. Andy Partridges take was interesting and deserves another look at Satanic. The song "Citadel" in particular is pretty great.

Supermallet 12-01-16 10:52 AM

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You did say Piper and I read it as Pepper, as in Sgt. Pepper. That's my bad!

Why So Blu? 12-01-16 01:45 PM

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My Wang Chung To Live and Die L.A. vinyl just arrived. Time to get my skinny tie out!

Why So Blu? 12-04-16 05:36 PM

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Just saw on Amazon that they're reissuing Blondie's catalog (at least the first four albums) in a couple of weeks - new pressings and all. They're a little steep at $22-$26 per record. I'd only be interested in the first four anyhow.

CRM114 12-06-16 10:31 AM

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And yet for $20 or so, you can get all of the first 4 Blondie albums as original presses.

slop101 12-06-16 10:34 AM

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Yeah, box-sets, even if they include big books or whatever, should always come out to way less per record than buying them separately.

Ravenous 12-08-16 11:04 AM

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I need a suggestion guys.

I would like to buy some sleeves for my LPs. Not the record itself, but the whole LP packaging. Can you recommend me anything?

It seems good ones are hard to find. My former local store had ALL their used LPs in great plastic sleeves. I called them to ask where they got them so I can buy some and they wouldn't tell me!!! WTF. They said they may be able to sell me some for about $.50 each. Theyre good sleeves, but I thought that was pretty shitty of them. Can anyone here help?

kefrank 12-08-16 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenous (Post 12964739)
I need a suggestion guys.

I would like to buy some sleeves for my LPs. Not the record itself, but the whole LP packaging. Can you recommend me anything?

It seems good ones are hard to find. My former local store had ALL their used LPs in great plastic sleeves. I called them to ask where they got them so I can buy some and they wouldn't tell me!!! WTF. They said they may be able to sell me some for about $.50 each. Theyre good sleeves, but I thought that was pretty shitty of them. Can anyone here help?

I'm a little confused by your wording. Are you looking for inner sleeves or outer jackets or both?

slop101 12-08-16 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenous (Post 12964739)
I need a suggestion guys.

I would like to buy some sleeves for my LPs. Not the record itself, but the whole LP packaging. Can you recommend me anything?

It seems good ones are hard to find. My former local store had ALL their used LPs in great plastic sleeves. I called them to ask where they got them so I can buy some and they wouldn't tell me!!! WTF. They said they may be able to sell me some for about $.50 each. Theyre good sleeves, but I thought that was pretty shitty of them. Can anyone here help?

Here's a good selection of inner and outer record sleeves, way less than $.50 each, which is a rip off. Stay away from your local record store - sounds like both an rip-off artist and an asshole.

Ravenous 12-08-16 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kefrank (Post 12964805)
I'm a little confused by your wording. Are you looking for inner sleeves or outer jackets or both?

Outer jackets! I want to cover the whole enchilada

Ravenous 12-08-16 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12964830)
Here's a good selection of inner and outer record sleeves, way less than $.50 each, which is a rip off. Stay away from your local record store - sounds like both an rip-off artist and an asshole.

Yup! Guy was very helpful but basically "dont let the owner know I told you this and dont mention me when asking to buy sleeves" :lol: Not a place Ill be giving business to again. It helps that I moved away lol

kefrank 12-08-16 03:51 PM

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Bags Unlimited is another potential source:
https://www.bagsunlimited.com/category/206/jackets

They're probably not the cheapest, but I can attest to the high quality of their record jackets.

Supermallet 12-08-16 05:31 PM

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Sleeve City is the best there is for jackets and liners.

IOW what slop said.

MBoyd 12-08-16 07:49 PM

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How is the new VPI Supermallet? we want video!

Supermallet 12-08-16 11:36 PM

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It's fantastic! I'm still waiting on my upgraded speakers to arrive but even with a budget pair it's a noticeable improvement over my old Technics.

What's a good site to host video? Imgur doesn't seem to recognize my video files.

MBoyd 12-09-16 05:50 AM

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I don't know? YouTube?

What speakers are you getting? I am looking at some smaller speakers like KEF ls50. We may be moving to a condo to get closer to my wife's work.

Supermallet 12-09-16 11:34 AM

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Blumenstein Orcas. They're full range drivers so they're mid-centric, but the imaging and coherency on them is fantastic.

mphtrilogy 12-09-16 07:35 PM

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Can anyone give a recomendation for a turntable? Been out of the vinyl world for awhile but dipping toe back in, no more than $100 - $150.

Thanks!

Supermallet 12-09-16 07:40 PM

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Bump your budget to $179 and get a U-Turn Orbit. Best entry level table bar none. If you can swing the plus model, that's an even better deal for the included upgrades.

mphtrilogy 12-09-16 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12965925)
Bump your budget to $179 and get a U-Turn Orbit. Best entry level table bar none. If you can swing the plus model, that's an even better deal for the included upgrades.

Thanks, where can I find that price?

MBoyd 12-09-16 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mphtrilogy (Post 12965940)
Thanks, where can I find that price?


https://uturnaudio.com

They sell direct. I think they have changed a few things recently. Maybe a new tone-arm?

Supermallet 12-11-16 07:54 PM

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Yes, a new and improved tonearm is now standard on all new tables they sell.

Why So Blu? 12-12-16 01:15 AM

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Looks like I know what I'm gonna get for X-mas. :thumbsup:

cultshock 12-12-16 09:42 PM

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Whoa, I think I might be in for one of these too, thanks for the heads up!

statcat 12-14-16 02:10 AM

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I didn't get an Orbit, but I have a Teac TN 300 which seems adequate enough for a decent turntable. Audio Technica LP 120 is another one which people seem to like. I was a bit disappointed to find you can't turn off the internal pre-amp though even when it's switched off. Only way to do it is to take it out. Teac isn't like that.

Out of curiosity, how do you guys clean your records? I saw the spin clean system and I'm not sold on the idea really. I don't understand how it doesn't get the labels wet. I have one of these which I'm happy with:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vinyl-1-Stac...-/161039100163


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