Old albums outselling new ones for first time ever
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Old albums outselling new ones for first time ever
You'd think everyone who wants to listen to Queen's "Greatest Hits" already owns a copy of the album. But here, you'd be wrong.
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Last week, old albums outsold new ones for the first time since Nielsen SoundScan started tracking U.S. album sales back in 1991. The first half of 2012 brought sales of 76.6 million catalog albums (i.e, albums released more than 18 months ago) as opposed to 73.9 million current albums. Some of the best-selling catalog albums are fairly recent beasts that won't go away (Adele's "19," Taylor Swift's "Speak Now"); some are ancient classics that should be carved into Mount Rushmore ("Dark Side of the Moon," "Licensed to Ill").
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According to Nielsen analyst David Bakula, the primary catalyst for the trend is cost: Catalog albums are usually priced between $5.99 and $10.99, while new albums are often $13-$18. "I really, truly do believe that there probably is a consumer that is buying music here that wasn't buying music in the past," Bakula told the OC Weekly.
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But surely there are other reasons, things that depress the sales of new albums more than they inflate the appeal of old albums: everything from streaming services to the effects of the Long Tail to the overlap in demographics between file-sharers and fans of new music. Right? Plus, y'know, the fact that there's a longstanding bias (masked as "traditional wisdom") suggesting old music is simply better than new music.
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So what is it? Do you buy new albums? Old albums? Would you buy more new albums if they cost less? Is cost even a factor? Are you buying any music at all, old or new, or what?
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Last week, old albums outsold new ones for the first time since Nielsen SoundScan started tracking U.S. album sales back in 1991. The first half of 2012 brought sales of 76.6 million catalog albums (i.e, albums released more than 18 months ago) as opposed to 73.9 million current albums. Some of the best-selling catalog albums are fairly recent beasts that won't go away (Adele's "19," Taylor Swift's "Speak Now"); some are ancient classics that should be carved into Mount Rushmore ("Dark Side of the Moon," "Licensed to Ill").
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According to Nielsen analyst David Bakula, the primary catalyst for the trend is cost: Catalog albums are usually priced between $5.99 and $10.99, while new albums are often $13-$18. "I really, truly do believe that there probably is a consumer that is buying music here that wasn't buying music in the past," Bakula told the OC Weekly.
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But surely there are other reasons, things that depress the sales of new albums more than they inflate the appeal of old albums: everything from streaming services to the effects of the Long Tail to the overlap in demographics between file-sharers and fans of new music. Right? Plus, y'know, the fact that there's a longstanding bias (masked as "traditional wisdom") suggesting old music is simply better than new music.
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So what is it? Do you buy new albums? Old albums? Would you buy more new albums if they cost less? Is cost even a factor? Are you buying any music at all, old or new, or what?
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Re: Old albums outselling new ones for first time ever
True but not really big musicians had died recently except Whitney a couple months ago.
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As for me, I buy primarily new(er) music when the MP3 pricing is right ($5 or less), or when a store like Best Buy has the physical CD on sale on/near release date for $8 or less. I don't buy much catalog stuff unless I find something in the clearance section at Half Price Books for $3 or less.
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This is not entirely surprising news. Younger people don't buy albums, for the most part. They torrent or Spotify. Older people who are not as savvy still buy CDs or go to iTunes. And they couldn't care less about Taylor Swift or Adele or Nikki Minaj or whomever.
id like to put taylor swift on my face.
id like to put taylor swift on my face.
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I will not buy MP3s, WAVs, FLACs, etc. unless they're bundled with physical media.
Even the music I pay for... I hope/expect to be able to hear it on a streaming service, since that's far more convenient. Sure, I paid anywhere from $20 to $350 for a deluxe vinyl special edition of something, but I still want to hear it in my car or at work. Streaming is the best option for that.
If it's not on a streaming service or an interesting physical package, I don't bother listening. I'm not going to waste my time torrenting the music at that point, although I still know people who ONLY torrent their music, despite how much they "love" the specific artists.
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I've always been into physical media-only, but it's hard to resist some of these album downloads when Amazon has them for $.99-2.00.
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Yep. IMO, the Billboard charts have been an increasingly inaccurate representation of what's truly popular for at least 15 years. This is how you wind up with Neil Diamond going to number one like he did a few years ago.
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At least the album chart is. The singles chart is still a fairly accurate barometer of overplayed mainstream hits.
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This is not surprising before rock and roll took over the top selling musical artists were always geared towards old people.
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I wonder if sales of new "albums" might have anything to do with the fact that everything I hear whenever I listen to the radio these days SUCKS?
It seems to me that if a person can open their mouth and sounds come out, some label will give them a recording contract. I've never heard so many new "artists" on the radio as I have within the last couple of years and for the most part they all SUCK.
It's no wonder to me that sales of newer material is down while sales of older material is up. I wouldn't give you a plug nickel for most of the stuff I hear coming out of my speakers these days. -kd5-
It seems to me that if a person can open their mouth and sounds come out, some label will give them a recording contract. I've never heard so many new "artists" on the radio as I have within the last couple of years and for the most part they all SUCK.
It's no wonder to me that sales of newer material is down while sales of older material is up. I wouldn't give you a plug nickel for most of the stuff I hear coming out of my speakers these days. -kd5-
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I can't say this surprises me. I'll openly admit that I buy less than 5 CDs a year, but I acquire many times that amount. I'd buy catalog titles all day long for under $10 a pop, but the reality is they aren't often priced that low. New albums are even worse. $16 for something I can easily find for free? Try again.
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I wonder if sales of new "albums" might have anything to do with the fact that everything I hear whenever I listen to the radio these days SUCKS?
It seems to me that if a person can open their mouth and sounds come out, some label will give them a recording contract. I've never heard so many new "artists" on the radio as I have within the last couple of years and for the most part they all SUCK.
It's no wonder to me that sales of newer material is down while sales of older material is up. I wouldn't give you a plug nickel for most of the stuff I hear coming out of my speakers these days. -kd5-
It seems to me that if a person can open their mouth and sounds come out, some label will give them a recording contract. I've never heard so many new "artists" on the radio as I have within the last couple of years and for the most part they all SUCK.
It's no wonder to me that sales of newer material is down while sales of older material is up. I wouldn't give you a plug nickel for most of the stuff I hear coming out of my speakers these days. -kd5-
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I said that at first, but it's not entirely true for me right now. I buy a lot LESS music than I used to, but I'm willing to pay MORE for the stuff I buy if it's special in some way.
For "normal" releases, I've mostly stopped caring about that stuff. The artists that still make an effort are the ones offering deluxe packages. I don't immediately buy every deluxe package out there, but every band has fans that WILL pay a little to a lot extra, depending on what they're offering. It's all about finding the right quantities for each "version" to make it profitable.
I couldn't agree more.
I couldn't agree more.
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I take it you missed the mention of "Licensed to Ill" in the original post.
Maybe they did better in digital sales or their audience skews younger.
Most of the old KISS albums you can get under $10.
Metallica will still charge $13 for their older catalog titles.
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^ True, but it doesn't suck to children, which is the market it is designed for, or it wouldn't be popular. I'll never understand adults that continue to listen to top 40 radio. This is a product made for and marketed to CHILDREN.
Probably the same people that still put ketchup on their hot dogs.
Probably the same people that still put ketchup on their hot dogs.
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