R.E.M. is over
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Same here. I really wanted to like their last two albums, and I can tell there are some good songs there. But I just can't listen to them because it's so fatiguing. Hopefully once the loudness wars have been lost, someone with some sense will go back and re-mix these. Sad thing is R.E.M. used to have some of the best sounding albums out there.
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Metallica - Disposable Heroes
Have Heart - The Machinist
Dangers - Stay-At-Home Mom
Def Leppard - Rocket
Rise Against - Faint Resemblance
Graf Orlock - A Waste Of Ammo
Capital - Goth N Roll
Anthrax - A.I.R.
Bad Religion - The Grand Delusion
Shelter - When 20 summers Pass
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While it is sad to see them go, perhaps it is best they go out peacefully and without the screaming and lawsuits and tabloids, etc.
I still enjoy the heck out of their catalog, and I will for the rest of my life.
I still enjoy the heck out of their catalog, and I will for the rest of my life.
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I had to check to see that this thread wasn't bumped from 1998 
In all seriousness though, it is sad to see them go. Murmur is an excellent album, and while I think they could be a little inconsistent, they a lot of great singles and 5-6 albums that I really enjoy.

In all seriousness though, it is sad to see them go. Murmur is an excellent album, and while I think they could be a little inconsistent, they a lot of great singles and 5-6 albums that I really enjoy.
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I'll take early/mid-period Replacements any day.
Or Slayer, for that matter.
#33
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While it wasn't as good as AFTP, I don't know why so many people dismiss Monster and especially New Adventures in Hi-Fi. I know the former has many critics, but the latter is a terrific album, certainly not subpar, and if it has a song that you need to FF past, I can't think of it off hand.
Sitting Still and Disturbance at the Heron House are my two favorite REM songs. To this day, I still don't know for sure what the exact lyrics to Sitting Still are, so I sing what I think it is...probably just like Michael does.
Glad that I got to see them one time in my life.
Sitting Still and Disturbance at the Heron House are my two favorite REM songs. To this day, I still don't know for sure what the exact lyrics to Sitting Still are, so I sing what I think it is...probably just like Michael does.
Glad that I got to see them one time in my life.
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Says the guy whose diverse musical tastes include:
Metallica - Disposable Heroes
Have Heart - The Machinist
Dangers - Stay-At-Home Mom
Def Leppard - Rocket
Rise Against - Faint Resemblance
Graf Orlock - A Waste Of Ammo
Capital - Goth N Roll
Anthrax - A.I.R.
Bad Religion - The Grand Delusion
Shelter - When 20 summers Pass
Metallica - Disposable Heroes
Have Heart - The Machinist
Dangers - Stay-At-Home Mom
Def Leppard - Rocket
Rise Against - Faint Resemblance
Graf Orlock - A Waste Of Ammo
Capital - Goth N Roll
Anthrax - A.I.R.
Bad Religion - The Grand Delusion
Shelter - When 20 summers Pass
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Says the guy whose diverse musical tastes include:
Metallica - Disposable Heroes
Have Heart - The Machinist
Dangers - Stay-At-Home Mom
Def Leppard - Rocket
Rise Against - Faint Resemblance
Graf Orlock - A Waste Of Ammo
Capital - Goth N Roll
Anthrax - A.I.R.
Bad Religion - The Grand Delusion
Shelter - When 20 summers Pass
Metallica - Disposable Heroes
Have Heart - The Machinist
Dangers - Stay-At-Home Mom
Def Leppard - Rocket
Rise Against - Faint Resemblance
Graf Orlock - A Waste Of Ammo
Capital - Goth N Roll
Anthrax - A.I.R.
Bad Religion - The Grand Delusion
Shelter - When 20 summers Pass
Not to mention, his God is lower case g. And if Nickelback and U2 would just follow suit, he could turn a radio again!? What does that mean, turn it East, West, North or South? And if he means turning on a radio again, what station plays R.E.M. these days. Let alone U2. I know most still play Nickleback.
PS - I also heard with the news, Michael Stipe released some naked arty video of himself. Surprised there's no talk of that here.
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I can remember back in '91 R.E.M. being interviewed and how they said they thought they would probably break up on New Year's Eve 1999. My memory might not be accurate, but the thought made me very sad.
FF 20 years and I just don't care. Such a weird feeling when those IRS albums meant the world to me back in the 80's. It's hard to explain what it was like spinning those records on college radio back then, especially in the South. Murmur was such an odd listen back in '83. I can trace my first disappointment with R.E.M. right to the Warner Bros. releases (Green was kind of a bummer) and not really caring anymore with the post-Up work. The last two albums were not that bad, but I kind of went out of my way to listen to them. Good to read Buck saying he'll be at club shows watching 19-year-olds try to change the world.
FF 20 years and I just don't care. Such a weird feeling when those IRS albums meant the world to me back in the 80's. It's hard to explain what it was like spinning those records on college radio back then, especially in the South. Murmur was such an odd listen back in '83. I can trace my first disappointment with R.E.M. right to the Warner Bros. releases (Green was kind of a bummer) and not really caring anymore with the post-Up work. The last two albums were not that bad, but I kind of went out of my way to listen to them. Good to read Buck saying he'll be at club shows watching 19-year-olds try to change the world.
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While it wasn't as good as AFTP, I don't know why so many people dismiss Monster and especially New Adventures in Hi-Fi. I know the former has many critics, but the latter is a terrific album, certainly not subpar, and if it has a song that you need to FF past, I can't think of it off hand.
Sitting Still and Disturbance at the Heron House are my two favorite REM songs. To this day, I still don't know for sure what the exact lyrics to Sitting Still are, so I sing what I think it is...probably just like Michael does.
Glad that I got to see them one time in my life.
Sitting Still and Disturbance at the Heron House are my two favorite REM songs. To this day, I still don't know for sure what the exact lyrics to Sitting Still are, so I sing what I think it is...probably just like Michael does.
Glad that I got to see them one time in my life.
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That's pretty diverse, fella. Based on the fact that you love REM so much you decided to angrily search through my 2 year old posts for ammo, I doubt you've even heard half of this. Plus that was my old 4 gb ipod. You'd be blown away at the diversity of my 15 gbs of music on my fancy Iphone4....blown away...
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That's pretty diverse, fella. Based on the fact that you love REM so much you decided to angrily search through my 2 year old posts for ammo, I doubt you've even heard half of this. Plus that was my old 4 gb ipod. You'd be blown away at the diversity of my 15 gbs of music on my fancy Iphone4....blown away...
Oops, I forgot a word. You're right it was 'on'. Also, isn't god a lower case 'g' if you don't believe in it? REM still gets played to death on the radio up here. I also used to work at a job about 10 years ago where one of the managers would blast REM and U2 all morning, every day. It just reminds me of getting up early and having to travel 45 mins to get to a job I hated. No big deal. You REM fans are an angry bunch!
PS - I also heard with the news, Michael Stipe released some naked arty video of himself. Surprised there's no talk of that here.
Oops, I forgot a word. You're right it was 'on'. Also, isn't god a lower case 'g' if you don't believe in it? REM still gets played to death on the radio up here. I also used to work at a job about 10 years ago where one of the managers would blast REM and U2 all morning, every day. It just reminds me of getting up early and having to travel 45 mins to get to a job I hated. No big deal. You REM fans are an angry bunch!
PS - I also heard with the news, Michael Stipe released some naked arty video of himself. Surprised there's no talk of that here.
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Same here. I listened to the cassette for Green over and over; Monster was the first CD I ever bought; and I go back to Murmur at least a few times a month with a modest sprinkling of their other albums here and there.
As a Georgia boy, they've been my band for as long as I can remember. It's a bittersweet day...
As a Georgia boy, they've been my band for as long as I can remember. It's a bittersweet day...
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Count me as one of the fans who didn't care for anything after New Adventures in Hi-Fi (which is my favorite album of theirs). I was fortunate enough to see them back in 2003 (or so) on a night in Raleigh when Bill Berry joined them for two songs. It was already a great concert but the place went nuts when they "coaxed" him up on stage. I doubt they will do a reunion tour but I wouldn't be surprised to see them do something like a one night reunion for one of David Letterman's final shows (whenever that may be but likely in the next five or so years I would guess) since he was such a big fan and early supporter of the band.
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I'm guessing by now they have hundreds of hours of unreleased tracks/live concerts/outtakes/alternate versions sitting around in vaults. It would be nice if some of the best stuff gets released in the next several years. I know they have been doing reissues of their IRS catalog for years, but I have to say the sound quality on the remastered discs is pretty crappy. The live shows(though missing a few songs,dammit!) and demos they put on the reissues are great. Thankfully, I still have the long-out-of-print MOFI versions of Murmur and Reckoning(both autographed by Pete Buck!) on cd and the import 92 cds of Fables and Pageant.
I have to say I think their breakup is long overdue. I think their last truly great album was Automatic for the People. New Adventures was good, not great I think, and every album after that has been uneven at best. Around the Sun is their worst album ever, I sold this turkey after two weeks.
I have to say I think their breakup is long overdue. I think their last truly great album was Automatic for the People. New Adventures was good, not great I think, and every album after that has been uneven at best. Around the Sun is their worst album ever, I sold this turkey after two weeks.
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I remember when Reveal came out. All the reviews I read said it was a total return to form. I even read one that compared it to AFTP and said it was just as good. I tried soooooo hard to like that album. I even bought the DVD-A of it. In retrospect, it's nearly unlisteneable.
I never listened to Around the Sun so for me Reveal was the musical nadir of their career. A truly wretched album from a once great band.
I never listened to Around the Sun so for me Reveal was the musical nadir of their career. A truly wretched album from a once great band.
#48
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Yeah, same boat here. Because of how much this band meant to me through the years, I truly wanted to love those two albums. They just never struck a chord for me.
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R.E.M. R.I.P.: Thank You for Running it Into the Ground
R.E.M. R.I.P.: Thank You for Running it Into the Ground
"Drive," that's the one. I love dozens of songs by R.E.M., but that's the one, even though it took me 7 or 8 years to start liking it. (Most of the other songs on Automatic for the People took about 12 seconds.) Michael Stipe growls to a crowd of kids who may or may not be there, cowering in the dark. Peter Buck's mandolin and Mike Mills' bass count down to doomsday. Tick tock, tick tock. You could complain that "Drive" runs on a little too long, and for that matter, you could complain that R.E.M. did too. But you'd be wrong, because in a way, running on was their whole point.
Thanks for existing, R.E.M.. It's hard to overstate how much these guys changed everything, creating an entire rock audience in their own image. It was R.E.M. who showed other Eighties bands how to get away with ignoring the rules – they lived in some weird town nobody never heard of, they didn't play power chords, they probably couldn't even spell "spandex." All they had was songs. "Catapult," "Harborcoat," "Sitting Still"? The one about Laocoon? The one about the two-headed calf? "Wolves, Lower"? Who else had songs like this? Nobody.
At a time when the term "indie rock" didn't exist, R.E.M. basically invented it as we know it, more or less overnight. I can't even count how many of my favorite bands I first heard about from R.E.M.. I tracked down Exile on Main Street because Peter Buck couldn't shut up about it, back when it was as impossible to find as those out-of-print Velvet Underground records. They invented whole new ways of being a music fan. They also invented "girls who like R.E.M.," who became my crush genre for the rest of my life.
People love to complain that R.E.M. should have broken up when Bill Berry quit in 1997, to preserve their legacy in a pristine state. Except this misses the fundamental point of R.E.M., which is that rock and roll is something you do, something that's part of your real sloppy life, rather than a fleeting phase. They decided not to be a "go out in a blaze of glory" band like the Smiths or Husker Du, and they also decided not to be a "blaze gloriously and then kinda fade out so everybody assumes you broke up even though maybe you officially didn't" kind of band, like Echo and the Bunnymen or the Jesus and Mary Chain. They decided to be a "run it into the ground" band, plowing ahead whether they had the wind at their backs or not.
And they ran it into the ground. That's an essential part of their greatness.
If all they wanted to do was preserve the legacy, they should have called it quits in 1985, when they'd finished up their great Eighties run. Fun fact: in 1987, when Document came out, my local fanzine reviewed it with the words, "God, I hope this band breaks up before they do any more damage to their previous glories." A lot of fans felt that way. R.E.M. invited the kind of fan who took pride in feeling that way. Hardly anyone liked R.E.M. who didn't like them way too much, so part of being an R.E.M. fan meant getting wildly overinvested and then feeling vaguely disappointed by whatever they did next.
For me, that meant being appalled at Lifes Rich Pageant – the drum sound alone was a dire philosophical betrayal, and that was before I got to the lyrics about believing in coyotes. I said my goodbyes to R.E.M. and moved on. It wasn't that hard. (Run-DMC put out an awesome album that summer.)
What no one knew – not even R.E.M. – is that they were just warming up. Their best music was still ahead of them, with their still-staggering four-album soul roll in the Nineties: Out of Time in 1991, Automatic for the People in 1992, Monster in 1994 and New Adventures in Hi-Fi in 1996. The Nineties were an entire decade of R.E.M.s, and R.E.M. were right there leading the pack they'd inspired. Has any band done a more productive job of tarnishing its own legacy? Break R.E.M.'s career into "Eighties" and "Nineties" halves, and you've got two of the best bands that ever existed.
After Berry left, they were a different group. The trio R.E.M. and the quartet R.E.M. don't even sound that much alike: you'd have no trouble telling them apart in a blindfold test. The three-legged version made one enduringly gorgeous record, 2001's Reveal, which I never convince anyone else to like at all. (Although that could change if you give "Beat a Drum" a minute or two. Maybe "Beachball"?) Also one real suckbomb, Around the Sun. The others have their moments. (Listened to "At My Most Beautiful" lately? Definitely the highlight of the Never Been Kissed soundtrack.)
I totally get the musical objection to these records: R.E.M. had trouble coming up with melodies, especially after Reveal, which made the albums inaccessible even to listeners who tried hard to like them. And I get the philosophical objection – they went and tarnished the legacy again. But legacy shmegacy. Me, I love that they milked it dry. I love that they didn't go out on the easy high note. I love how they didn't settle for "dignity." I love how they kept pushing in the studio, even when the songs weren't coming so fast or easy. I love how they kept making records even when they knew the records weren't making them look too sharp. I love that they tried. I loved hearing them try. And as long as they kept running on, R.E.M. were an inspiration. Tick tock, tick tock.
Thanks for existing, R.E.M.. It's hard to overstate how much these guys changed everything, creating an entire rock audience in their own image. It was R.E.M. who showed other Eighties bands how to get away with ignoring the rules – they lived in some weird town nobody never heard of, they didn't play power chords, they probably couldn't even spell "spandex." All they had was songs. "Catapult," "Harborcoat," "Sitting Still"? The one about Laocoon? The one about the two-headed calf? "Wolves, Lower"? Who else had songs like this? Nobody.
At a time when the term "indie rock" didn't exist, R.E.M. basically invented it as we know it, more or less overnight. I can't even count how many of my favorite bands I first heard about from R.E.M.. I tracked down Exile on Main Street because Peter Buck couldn't shut up about it, back when it was as impossible to find as those out-of-print Velvet Underground records. They invented whole new ways of being a music fan. They also invented "girls who like R.E.M.," who became my crush genre for the rest of my life.
People love to complain that R.E.M. should have broken up when Bill Berry quit in 1997, to preserve their legacy in a pristine state. Except this misses the fundamental point of R.E.M., which is that rock and roll is something you do, something that's part of your real sloppy life, rather than a fleeting phase. They decided not to be a "go out in a blaze of glory" band like the Smiths or Husker Du, and they also decided not to be a "blaze gloriously and then kinda fade out so everybody assumes you broke up even though maybe you officially didn't" kind of band, like Echo and the Bunnymen or the Jesus and Mary Chain. They decided to be a "run it into the ground" band, plowing ahead whether they had the wind at their backs or not.
And they ran it into the ground. That's an essential part of their greatness.
If all they wanted to do was preserve the legacy, they should have called it quits in 1985, when they'd finished up their great Eighties run. Fun fact: in 1987, when Document came out, my local fanzine reviewed it with the words, "God, I hope this band breaks up before they do any more damage to their previous glories." A lot of fans felt that way. R.E.M. invited the kind of fan who took pride in feeling that way. Hardly anyone liked R.E.M. who didn't like them way too much, so part of being an R.E.M. fan meant getting wildly overinvested and then feeling vaguely disappointed by whatever they did next.
For me, that meant being appalled at Lifes Rich Pageant – the drum sound alone was a dire philosophical betrayal, and that was before I got to the lyrics about believing in coyotes. I said my goodbyes to R.E.M. and moved on. It wasn't that hard. (Run-DMC put out an awesome album that summer.)
What no one knew – not even R.E.M. – is that they were just warming up. Their best music was still ahead of them, with their still-staggering four-album soul roll in the Nineties: Out of Time in 1991, Automatic for the People in 1992, Monster in 1994 and New Adventures in Hi-Fi in 1996. The Nineties were an entire decade of R.E.M.s, and R.E.M. were right there leading the pack they'd inspired. Has any band done a more productive job of tarnishing its own legacy? Break R.E.M.'s career into "Eighties" and "Nineties" halves, and you've got two of the best bands that ever existed.
After Berry left, they were a different group. The trio R.E.M. and the quartet R.E.M. don't even sound that much alike: you'd have no trouble telling them apart in a blindfold test. The three-legged version made one enduringly gorgeous record, 2001's Reveal, which I never convince anyone else to like at all. (Although that could change if you give "Beat a Drum" a minute or two. Maybe "Beachball"?) Also one real suckbomb, Around the Sun. The others have their moments. (Listened to "At My Most Beautiful" lately? Definitely the highlight of the Never Been Kissed soundtrack.)
I totally get the musical objection to these records: R.E.M. had trouble coming up with melodies, especially after Reveal, which made the albums inaccessible even to listeners who tried hard to like them. And I get the philosophical objection – they went and tarnished the legacy again. But legacy shmegacy. Me, I love that they milked it dry. I love that they didn't go out on the easy high note. I love how they didn't settle for "dignity." I love how they kept pushing in the studio, even when the songs weren't coming so fast or easy. I love how they kept making records even when they knew the records weren't making them look too sharp. I love that they tried. I loved hearing them try. And as long as they kept running on, R.E.M. were an inspiration. Tick tock, tick tock.
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One thing they never lacked was self confidence. Every time they'd drag out one of these mediocre albums the last 15 years, you'd always hear "this is the best thing we've ever done". It's good to believe in yourself but the quality just wasn't there.




