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Re: R.E.M. is over
Originally Posted by freshticles
(Post 10933289)
That's pretty diverse, fella. Based on the fact that you love REM so much you decided to angrily search through my 2 year old posts for ammo, I doubt you've even heard half of this. Plus that was my old 4 gb ipod. You'd be blown away at the diversity of my 15 gbs of music on my fancy Iphone4....blown away...
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Re: R.E.M. is over
Originally Posted by freshticles
(Post 10933289)
That's pretty diverse, fella. Based on the fact that you love REM so much you decided to angrily search through my 2 year old posts for ammo, I doubt you've even heard half of this. Plus that was my old 4 gb ipod. You'd be blown away at the diversity of my 15 gbs of music on my fancy Iphone4....blown away...
Oops, I forgot a word. You're right it was 'on'. Also, isn't god a lower case 'g' if you don't believe in it? REM still gets played to death on the radio up here. I also used to work at a job about 10 years ago where one of the managers would blast REM and U2 all morning, every day. It just reminds me of getting up early and having to travel 45 mins to get to a job I hated. No big deal. You REM fans are an angry bunch! PS - I also heard with the news, Michael Stipe released some naked arty video of himself. Surprised there's no talk of that here. :rock2: |
Re: R.E.M. is over
Originally Posted by reubs82
(Post 10932867)
Same here. I listened to the cassette for Green over and over; Monster was the first CD I ever bought; and I go back to Murmur at least a few times a month with a modest sprinkling of their other albums here and there.
As a Georgia boy, they've been my band for as long as I can remember. It's a bittersweet day... |
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Count me as one of the fans who didn't care for anything after New Adventures in Hi-Fi (which is my favorite album of theirs). I was fortunate enough to see them back in 2003 (or so) on a night in Raleigh when Bill Berry joined them for two songs. It was already a great concert but the place went nuts when they "coaxed" him up on stage. I doubt they will do a reunion tour but I wouldn't be surprised to see them do something like a one night reunion for one of David Letterman's final shows (whenever that may be but likely in the next five or so years I would guess) since he was such a big fan and early supporter of the band.
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I'm guessing by now they have hundreds of hours of unreleased tracks/live concerts/outtakes/alternate versions sitting around in vaults. It would be nice if some of the best stuff gets released in the next several years. I know they have been doing reissues of their IRS catalog for years, but I have to say the sound quality on the remastered discs is pretty crappy. The live shows(though missing a few songs,dammit!) and demos they put on the reissues are great. Thankfully, I still have the long-out-of-print MOFI versions of Murmur and Reckoning(both autographed by Pete Buck!) on cd and the import 92 cds of Fables and Pageant.
I have to say I think their breakup is long overdue. I think their last truly great album was Automatic for the People. New Adventures was good, not great I think, and every album after that has been uneven at best. Around the Sun is their worst album ever, I sold this turkey after two weeks. |
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Wonder if this has anything to do with Michael posting pictures of his weiner on tumblr?
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I remember when Reveal came out. All the reviews I read said it was a total return to form. I even read one that compared it to AFTP and said it was just as good. I tried soooooo hard to like that album. I even bought the DVD-A of it. In retrospect, it's nearly unlisteneable.
I never listened to Around the Sun so for me Reveal was the musical nadir of their career. A truly wretched album from a once great band. |
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Yeah, same boat here. Because of how much this band meant to me through the years, I truly wanted to love those two albums. They just never struck a chord for me.
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http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/...round-20110922
R.E.M. R.I.P.: Thank You for Running it Into the Ground "Drive," that's the one. I love dozens of songs by R.E.M., but that's the one, even though it took me 7 or 8 years to start liking it. (Most of the other songs on Automatic for the People took about 12 seconds.) Michael Stipe growls to a crowd of kids who may or may not be there, cowering in the dark. Peter Buck's mandolin and Mike Mills' bass count down to doomsday. Tick tock, tick tock. You could complain that "Drive" runs on a little too long, and for that matter, you could complain that R.E.M. did too. But you'd be wrong, because in a way, running on was their whole point. Thanks for existing, R.E.M.. It's hard to overstate how much these guys changed everything, creating an entire rock audience in their own image. It was R.E.M. who showed other Eighties bands how to get away with ignoring the rules – they lived in some weird town nobody never heard of, they didn't play power chords, they probably couldn't even spell "spandex." All they had was songs. "Catapult," "Harborcoat," "Sitting Still"? The one about Laocoon? The one about the two-headed calf? "Wolves, Lower"? Who else had songs like this? Nobody. At a time when the term "indie rock" didn't exist, R.E.M. basically invented it as we know it, more or less overnight. I can't even count how many of my favorite bands I first heard about from R.E.M.. I tracked down Exile on Main Street because Peter Buck couldn't shut up about it, back when it was as impossible to find as those out-of-print Velvet Underground records. They invented whole new ways of being a music fan. They also invented "girls who like R.E.M.," who became my crush genre for the rest of my life. People love to complain that R.E.M. should have broken up when Bill Berry quit in 1997, to preserve their legacy in a pristine state. Except this misses the fundamental point of R.E.M., which is that rock and roll is something you do, something that's part of your real sloppy life, rather than a fleeting phase. They decided not to be a "go out in a blaze of glory" band like the Smiths or Husker Du, and they also decided not to be a "blaze gloriously and then kinda fade out so everybody assumes you broke up even though maybe you officially didn't" kind of band, like Echo and the Bunnymen or the Jesus and Mary Chain. They decided to be a "run it into the ground" band, plowing ahead whether they had the wind at their backs or not. And they ran it into the ground. That's an essential part of their greatness. If all they wanted to do was preserve the legacy, they should have called it quits in 1985, when they'd finished up their great Eighties run. Fun fact: in 1987, when Document came out, my local fanzine reviewed it with the words, "God, I hope this band breaks up before they do any more damage to their previous glories." A lot of fans felt that way. R.E.M. invited the kind of fan who took pride in feeling that way. Hardly anyone liked R.E.M. who didn't like them way too much, so part of being an R.E.M. fan meant getting wildly overinvested and then feeling vaguely disappointed by whatever they did next. For me, that meant being appalled at Lifes Rich Pageant – the drum sound alone was a dire philosophical betrayal, and that was before I got to the lyrics about believing in coyotes. I said my goodbyes to R.E.M. and moved on. It wasn't that hard. (Run-DMC put out an awesome album that summer.) What no one knew – not even R.E.M. – is that they were just warming up. Their best music was still ahead of them, with their still-staggering four-album soul roll in the Nineties: Out of Time in 1991, Automatic for the People in 1992, Monster in 1994 and New Adventures in Hi-Fi in 1996. The Nineties were an entire decade of R.E.M.s, and R.E.M. were right there leading the pack they'd inspired. Has any band done a more productive job of tarnishing its own legacy? Break R.E.M.'s career into "Eighties" and "Nineties" halves, and you've got two of the best bands that ever existed. After Berry left, they were a different group. The trio R.E.M. and the quartet R.E.M. don't even sound that much alike: you'd have no trouble telling them apart in a blindfold test. The three-legged version made one enduringly gorgeous record, 2001's Reveal, which I never convince anyone else to like at all. (Although that could change if you give "Beat a Drum" a minute or two. Maybe "Beachball"?) Also one real suckbomb, Around the Sun. The others have their moments. (Listened to "At My Most Beautiful" lately? Definitely the highlight of the Never Been Kissed soundtrack.) I totally get the musical objection to these records: R.E.M. had trouble coming up with melodies, especially after Reveal, which made the albums inaccessible even to listeners who tried hard to like them. And I get the philosophical objection – they went and tarnished the legacy again. But legacy shmegacy. Me, I love that they milked it dry. I love that they didn't go out on the easy high note. I love how they didn't settle for "dignity." I love how they kept pushing in the studio, even when the songs weren't coming so fast or easy. I love how they kept making records even when they knew the records weren't making them look too sharp. I love that they tried. I loved hearing them try. And as long as they kept running on, R.E.M. were an inspiration. Tick tock, tick tock. |
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One thing they never lacked was self confidence. Every time they'd drag out one of these mediocre albums the last 15 years, you'd always hear "this is the best thing we've ever done". It's good to believe in yourself but the quality just wasn't there.
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Re: R.E.M. is over
Originally Posted by cungar
(Post 10933919)
I never listened to Around the Sun so for me Reveal was the musical nadir of their career. A truly wretched album from a once great band.
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Oh, no. Now what will douchey college kids, pretentious hippies, and old men long past their high school prime who think they're cool but aren't...listen to now ?
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Re: R.E.M. is over
Originally Posted by cungar
(Post 10933919)
I remember when Reveal came out. All the reviews I read said it was a total return to form. I even read one that compared it to AFTP and said it was just as good. I tried soooooo hard to like that album. I even bought the DVD-A of it. In retrospect, it's nearly unlisteneable.
I never listened to Around the Sun so for me Reveal was the musical nadir of their career. A truly wretched album from a once great band.
Originally Posted by atlantamoi
(Post 10934907)
If you think Reveal is bad, please don't listen to Around The Sun. "Tarnished" is the best word I can think of.
The last album I really listened to and liked was Up (but I feel/felt New Adventures was there last 'great' album). So maybe my brain isn't working right here, but I keep hearing how Reveal is so great...and I thought it was terrible. And yet I keep hearing how Around the Sun is terrible, and yet I'm really liking it and find it closer to their older music. :shrug: |
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^More coincidence than irony.
I think I'll refrain from ever listening to Around the Sun. I'd rather remember the band for the IRS years and a few great albums after that. From what I've heard from the album it doesn't sound anything like what I liked about early REM. |
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Originally Posted by cungar
(Post 10935047)
^More coincidence than irony.
And no, Around the Sun definitely is nothing like the early IRS days. It might come as blasphemy to a lot of people, but R.E.M. made some truly great music for almost 10 years after leaving IRS. |
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Reveal is uneven, but it has 5 really great songs on it:
The Lifting Imitation Of Live Reno I'll Take The Rain She Just Wants To Be |
Re: R.E.M. is over
Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
(Post 10934969)
Oh, no. Now what will douchey college kids, pretentious hippies, and old men long past their high school prime who think they're cool but aren't...listen to now ?
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Re: R.E.M. is over
Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
(Post 10934969)
Oh, no. Now what will douchey college kids, pretentious hippies, and old men long past their high school prime who think they're cool but aren't...listen to now ?
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Well, thanks REM for the music through the years.
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Originally Posted by cdollaz
(Post 10935102)
Reveal is uneven, but it has 5 really great songs on it:
The Lifting Imitation Of Live Reno I'll Take The Rain She Just Wants To Be |
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This is just my opinion, but while I agree that the IRS albums are the best of R.E.M. and maybe the best music that's been created consecutively in my lifetime, I'd go on to add every single album they released through NAIHF as the best run any band has had other than the Beatles -- and the Beatles are in a completely different league than everyone else anyway.
Green, Out of Time (the songs on this album that weren't singles or played much on radio were better than the ones that did), AFTP, Monster, and NAIHF. Yes, Losing my Religion got overplayed and Radio Song is kind of annoying, and Shiny Happy People is really annoying. But Low, Near Wild Heaven, Belong, Country Feedback, and Me in Honey...wow, I find those songs to be brilliant and a lot of people just take shots at this album because Losing my Religion was so over-praised and over-played. I still think it's a damned great record. Automatic For the People- I bought on its release day and I was 5 minutes from home and decided to put the cd into my car player and not wait until I got home. I was so blown away that I got home and didn't get out of my car until I'd listened to the entire cd, went inside and played it again. Called my best R.E.M. friend and talked about the album until about 2 am. Monster-This was sort of a weird time in music. It seemed like a very commercial time and this album seems to reflect the time, but I still think it was very good for that time. Crush With Eyeliner was my favorite after my first listen, but I still will defend "Kenneth" to any criticism and the energy of the song and video used to make my wife and I (not married at the time) dance around our apartment every single time it came on MTV and the speed of our car would go up when we'd listen to it there. If this was the worst of the albums they made until after Hi-Fi, that only shows you how incredible their music was and how high the expectations were for them to release another Automatic for the People. New Adventures in Hi-Fi- Not only a GREAT album, but REM got totally away from making the more commercial, MTV sounding album to something that was not only catchy, but also completely original again. From How the West was Won and Where it Got Us, this was easily their last GREAT record. But from the early 80's to what was then 1996/7 (I can't remember which year exactly it came out), that's one hell of run. I'd say no other band has had a run like that. Kind of like that RS magazine guy said, the were like two different bands and BOTH of them were equally great. And if anyone thinks they really know the lyrics to Sitting Still, I'd love to see what you think. |
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