Album By Album: Genesis
#252
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What a horrible way to go. After Invisible Touch it seems like the band had mastered the art of pop, but here they come to prove every bad thing everyone ever said about them. The opening two songs, "No Son of Mine" and "Jesus He Knows Me" are the only bright spots. "No Son of Mine" is a dramatic telling of a family split, while "Jesus He Knows Me" is a fun indictment of TV preachers who suck money from their followers and are hypocrites in general. "I Can't Dance" has a great guitar riff, but the lyrics are utterly banal.
The rest of the album is unlistenable drivel. "Driving The Last Spike" is torturous, "Hold On My Heart" gives milquetoast a bad name, and even the artwork feels safe and ineffectual. This was a band with nothing left to say, and no teeth left to bare. Should have called it quits with Invisible Touch.
The rest of the album is unlistenable drivel. "Driving The Last Spike" is torturous, "Hold On My Heart" gives milquetoast a bad name, and even the artwork feels safe and ineffectual. This was a band with nothing left to say, and no teeth left to bare. Should have called it quits with Invisible Touch.
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A not-too-bad release from the band, but unfortunate that they couldn't have gone out on a higher note. There is nothing really on here that makes me want to skip by any songs, but on the same hand, nothing too memorable either. Collins and Rutherford's solo careers were moving along nicely at this point in time, so this release could have just been done as a favor to keep Tony busy.
Seeing as I have no use for 'Calling All Stations', I'll drop out here. Thanks again OP for starting this great thread...enjoyed it immensely!
Seeing as I have no use for 'Calling All Stations', I'll drop out here. Thanks again OP for starting this great thread...enjoyed it immensely!
#256
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This was the first Genesis album that I purchased on CD. I'm not sure I ever loved it, but it has not held up well over the years. I think the first five songs are the best on the album, and I really like "No Son of Mine" and "Driving the Last Spike". I liked "Hold On My Heart" when it was released, but now I can't stand it.
I think that with this album they were trying to get away from the pop of Invisible Touch and return to some lengthier pieces more reminiscent of their past recordings. What they put out was a spectacularly average album.
As others have commented, I think they should have called it a day with Invisible Touch.
(I am going to skip "The Way We Walk: The Longs and the Shorts" unless someone objects. I will, however, do a post about "Calling All Stations" since I like the album and would like to see others' comments on it.)
I think that with this album they were trying to get away from the pop of Invisible Touch and return to some lengthier pieces more reminiscent of their past recordings. What they put out was a spectacularly average album.
As others have commented, I think they should have called it a day with Invisible Touch.
(I am going to skip "The Way We Walk: The Longs and the Shorts" unless someone objects. I will, however, do a post about "Calling All Stations" since I like the album and would like to see others' comments on it.)
#257
#258
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I like The Way We Walk. The live versions of the We Can't Dance tracks are uniformly better than the studio versions.
I also liked Calling All Stations for what it was. But it wasn't really Genesis.
I also liked Calling All Stations for what it was. But it wasn't really Genesis.
#259
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This sums it up well for me. For the last 10 years (prior to this album's release, that is), anything by Genesis or Phil Collins was an automatic buy for me. And despite the occasional track I didn't like, there was always enough stuff that grabbed me to keep me a big fan. But after I listened to "We Can't Dance" for the first time, I was left with a feeling of A couple years later I still bought Phil's next solo album, "Both Sides". And it was worse ... much worse. And they pretty much lost me, at least as far as new releases were concerned.
Like a lot of you, I never bothered with "Calling All Stations". I've heard some of the songs, and it doesn't do anything for me. But thanks Alvis, for doing this thread. It's been fun going though the entire discography. If anything, it shows these guys deserve a lot more musical respect than they are typically credited with. It was a great 20+ year run.
Like a lot of you, I never bothered with "Calling All Stations". I've heard some of the songs, and it doesn't do anything for me. But thanks Alvis, for doing this thread. It's been fun going though the entire discography. If anything, it shows these guys deserve a lot more musical respect than they are typically credited with. It was a great 20+ year run.
#260
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That's like saying that Burnette & Bramlett in place of Buckingham & Nicks isn't Fleetwood Mac. Of course it's the same band. Just because a band changes it's members or sound doesn't necessitate a name change.
#261
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How many members can a band lose before it ceases to have the artistic (as opposed to legal) right to use the name it started out with?
That could be a whole other thread.
#262
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It's still an improvement over We Can't Dance, though.
#263
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Calling All Stations
Released September 1, 1997
1. Calling All Stations
2. Congo
3. Shipwrecked
4. Alien Afternoon
5. Not About Us
6. If That's What You Need
7. The Dividing Line
8. Uncertain Weather
9. Small Talk
10. There Must Be Some Other Way
11. One Man's Fool
B Sides
(I haven't been listing B Sides, but decided to in this case since CAS had 8!)
1. Papa He Said
2. Banjo Man
3. Phret
4. 7/8
5. Anything Now
6. Sign Your Life Away
7. Run Out of Time
8. Nowhere Else to Run
Personnel
*Tony Banks
*Mike Rutherford
*Ray Wilson
Additional Musicians
*Nir Zidkyahu – drums on tracks 1-3, 4 (second half), 5, 7, 10-11
*Nick D'Virgilio – drums on tracks 4 (first half), 6, 8-9
Production
Nick Davis, Tony Banks, and Mike Rutherford
Calling All Stations, (also known as ...Calling All Stations...) is the 15th and currently last studio album by rock band Genesis.
More following the spoiler.
Released September 1, 1997
1. Calling All Stations
2. Congo
3. Shipwrecked
4. Alien Afternoon
5. Not About Us
6. If That's What You Need
7. The Dividing Line
8. Uncertain Weather
9. Small Talk
10. There Must Be Some Other Way
11. One Man's Fool
B Sides
(I haven't been listing B Sides, but decided to in this case since CAS had 8!)
1. Papa He Said
2. Banjo Man
3. Phret
4. 7/8
5. Anything Now
6. Sign Your Life Away
7. Run Out of Time
8. Nowhere Else to Run
Personnel
*Tony Banks
*Mike Rutherford
*Ray Wilson
Additional Musicians
*Nir Zidkyahu – drums on tracks 1-3, 4 (second half), 5, 7, 10-11
*Nick D'Virgilio – drums on tracks 4 (first half), 6, 8-9
Production
Nick Davis, Tony Banks, and Mike Rutherford
Calling All Stations, (also known as ...Calling All Stations...) is the 15th and currently last studio album by rock band Genesis.
More following the spoiler.
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#264
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I'll discuss whether this should be considered a Genesis album near the end.
I remember seeing this CD on the rack when it came out and wondering who they had gotten to sing for them since I knew Phil Collins had left the band. But other than that, I didn't think about it. Around 1999 or so I picked up 'Turn It On Again: The Hits' at a used CD store. It contained one track from this album, "Congo". I thought it was ok, but nothing special.
Not too long after that, during the Napster craze, I downloaded a Genesis boot called "A New Beginning". It was the live promo the band had done in Berlin and at Cape Canveral. It contained songs from CAS, and Gabriel and Collins era songs.
It was my first exposure to most of the CAS tracks (except Congo) and to the Gabriel tracks. I enjoyed the sound of Wilson's voice on the older material and I enjoyed the new songs. I eventually picked up Calling All Stations and finally listened to it in its entirety.
After a few lessons, the album really began to grow on me. I consider it to be much better than "We Can't Dance".
Tracks I enjoy are Calling All Stations, Congo, Not About Us, The Dividing Line and There Must Be Some Other Way.
Should they have called themselves Genesis with this album? Probably not, in my opinion.
I remember seeing this CD on the rack when it came out and wondering who they had gotten to sing for them since I knew Phil Collins had left the band. But other than that, I didn't think about it. Around 1999 or so I picked up 'Turn It On Again: The Hits' at a used CD store. It contained one track from this album, "Congo". I thought it was ok, but nothing special.
Not too long after that, during the Napster craze, I downloaded a Genesis boot called "A New Beginning". It was the live promo the band had done in Berlin and at Cape Canveral. It contained songs from CAS, and Gabriel and Collins era songs.
It was my first exposure to most of the CAS tracks (except Congo) and to the Gabriel tracks. I enjoyed the sound of Wilson's voice on the older material and I enjoyed the new songs. I eventually picked up Calling All Stations and finally listened to it in its entirety.
After a few lessons, the album really began to grow on me. I consider it to be much better than "We Can't Dance".
Tracks I enjoy are Calling All Stations, Congo, Not About Us, The Dividing Line and There Must Be Some Other Way.
Should they have called themselves Genesis with this album? Probably not, in my opinion.
#265
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I also think this is better than We Can't Dance (and ...And Then There Were Three, for that matter), but it's still weak for Genesis. Had they continued and allowed Wilson to be a full writing partner in the band, that could have led to some interesting material. Wilson has said in retrospect it would have been better for him not to join the band.
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#268
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I also think this is better than We Can't Dance (and ...And Then There Were Three, for that matter), but it's still weak for Genesis. Had they continued and allowed Wilson to be a full writing partner in the band, that could have led to some interesting material. Wilson has said in retrospect it would have been better for him not to join the band.
#269
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I knew of Phil's departure, and the thought never crossed my mind when this came out (or since) that it shouldn't be "Genesis". Bands change members all the time, including vocalists. But anyway, I'm sure I picked this up on release day, and I've been a fan of it ever since. I thought it was petty of Banks to pull the plug as he did without giving Ray much of a chance at all. I'd have been perfectly fine for the group to keep recording this way. I am confused though as to why they snubbed Chester.
#270
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But it's an uphill struggle for acceptance, since the singer is so readily identified as the face of the band. Especially when the band is already at a superstar level. Sure, some groups pulled it off - Van Halen, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, AC/DC. But even in those cases, none of them had as much history with the replaced lead singers as Genesis had with Phil Collins.
I agree ... seems a really crappy way to treat a long-time musical collaborator. I guess it came down to money - you'd pay a session musician less than a full-time band member. But still. Hearing how Tony and Mike treated Chester and Ray, they don't come across as very nice guys.
I agree ... seems a really crappy way to treat a long-time musical collaborator. I guess it came down to money - you'd pay a session musician less than a full-time band member. But still. Hearing how Tony and Mike treated Chester and Ray, they don't come across as very nice guys.
#271
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This is a nice thread and it is a shame that it abruptly ended. I haven't seen some of the names in here on the board for some time now. Bumping this up for current discussion of Genesis, Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins.