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the beginning of punk?
Why is it that punk is always defined as starting with the Ramones, Sex Pistols etc. which came out of the Stooges, MC5, NY Dolls when what it really came from is 60s garage rock? I see this rarely acknowledged but who can deny a song like Social End Product by the Bluestars is not punk? By that I don't mean "proto-punk" either just as punk as anything from the 70s or 80s.
<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/jfvAVlFoRmg&hl=en_US&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/jfvAVlFoRmg&hl=en_US&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> the angst, anti-government, and everything else that defined punk as punk is there but why is this still never acknowledged? It's just the tip of the iceberg as well, there's a shitload of songs from '66 alone that could fit this label. Is it just because nobody knows or cares about it? It came out a decade before the so called first wave of punk music. |
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I see the punk ethos as challenging hippy culture and dinosaur rock. Therefore, I'd say Zappa and the VU. Not sure how those garage bands felt about the hippy culture since they were in the middle of it.
Who Needs The Peace Corps? -Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention What's there to live for? Who needs the peace corps? Think I'll just DROP OUT I'll go to Frisco Buy a wig & sleep On Owsley's floor Walked past the wig store Danced at the Fillmore I'm completely stoned I'm hippy & I'm trippy I'm a gypsy on my own I'll stay a week & get the crabs & Take a bus back home I'm really just a phony But forgive me 'Cause I'm stoned Every town must have a place Where phony hippies meet Psychedelic dungeons Popping up every street GO TO SAN FRANCISCO How I love ya, How I love ya How I love ya, How I love ya Frisco! How I love ya, How I love ya How I love ya, How I love ya Oh, my hair is getting good in the back! Every town must have a place Where phony hippies meet Psychedelic dungeons Popping up on every street GO TO SAN FRANCISCO... Hotcha! First I'll buy some beads And then perhaps a leather band To go around my head Some feathers and bells And a book of Indian lore I will ask the Chamber Of Commerce How to get to Haight Street And smoke an awful lot of dope I will wander around barefoot I will have a psychedelic gleam in my eye at all times I will love everyone I will love the police as they kick the shit out of me on the street I will sleep... I will, I will go to a house That's, that's what I will do I will go to a house Where there's a rock roll band 'Cause the groups all live together And I will join a rock & roll band I will be their road manager And I will stay there with them And I will get the crabs But I won't care |
Re: the beginning of punk?
Originally Posted by CRM114
(Post 10278428)
Not sure how those garage bands felt about the hippy culture since they were in the middle of it.
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Re: the beginning of punk?
Punk or punk music?
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I've seen the term punk used for hardcore 50s rock n roll and the whole greaser/leather jacket/biker/switchblade scene.
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I think there are two different interpretations of what 'punk music' is: punk as a movement, identified by attitude and spirit; and punk as a musical genre, identified by a certain sound and style.
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The Bluestars aren't punk because punk was a reaction to the excesses of prog rock and heavy metal and the Bluestars predated all that. It's really that simple. Anybody who is knowledgable about the history of punk will tell you that the Ramones and other early punks were explicitly drawing on the garage rock of the mid-60s.
But if you like that stuff, check out the Nuggets compilations. |
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The Bluestars, Sonics, etc. are to punk as M is to film noir. Yes, there's a clear progression from one to the other, but the point where the genre becomes recognizable is after the progenitor works.
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Re: the beginning of punk?
Originally Posted by JasonF
(Post 10278910)
The Bluestars aren't punk because punk was a reaction to the excesses of prog rock and heavy metal and the Bluestars predated all that. It's really that simple. Anybody who is knowledgable about the history of punk will tell you that the Ramones and other early punks were explicitly drawing on the garage rock of the mid-60s.
But if you like that stuff, check out the Nuggets compilations. I disagree on the nuggets compilations- there's lots of pop tracks, psychedelic tracks, etc., back from the grave, teenage shutdown, are where the kind of music I'm talking about is. |
Re: the beginning of punk?
surfin bird was the first song that sounded like punk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZThquH5t0ow edit...ok how do we embed here now? |
Re: the beginning of punk?
Originally Posted by chino77
(Post 10279152)
surfin bird was the first song that sounded like punk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZThquH5t0ow edit...ok how do we embed here now? <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/qDj1sYEKWp0&hl=en_US&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/qDj1sYEKWp0&hl=en_US&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> |
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