DaveWadding

lol I missed that part...joke still stands.

nothingfails

I didn't like Janis' 1980's period where she sold out and did the Starship/Heart thing, but her recent stuff was great. I could do without the upcoming duets album, does she think she's Carlos Santana or something?

Josh-da-man

Can't say I'm really surprised.

It's seemed that the RaRHOF inductees have been the artists that Rolling Stone magazine jerks off over -- the Jackson Browne types. And whenever they let someone in like Led Zeppelin, it's actually sort of surprising.

B5Erik

Yeah, it's kind of pathetic.

Why isn't KISS in? (Let's face it, there are few bands that have had more influence on bands that followed them than KISS did - more guys picked up guitars or started playing drums because of KISS than just about any other band of their era.) But why aren't they in? Jan Wenner HATES them with a passion. He even refused to cover the DEATH of one of their band members in Rolling Stone in their music news section! That was a classless act that showed what a jerk Wenner really is, and it also shows why the bands that he doesn't personally like or approve of don't get into the HOF.

When Jan Wenner personally decides that someone is unworthy they don't have a chance. One man makes that decision. ONE. And no one stands up to him.

That's the root of why the R&RHOF is a sham.

nothingfails

and so would Aretha Franklin, she doesn't take too kindly when someone dares say another female artist is more influencial than her for all time

GreenVulture

I could never get into It Takes A Nation that much. Fear of a Black Planet, as far as I'm concerned, is their finest hour.

Chrisedge

The main problem is Jan picks the nine folks that get nominated, then those nine are voted on by 500+ rock critics/folks. If he allowed the 500+ to pick the noms too...it would be a completely different story.

cdollaz

I'm with you. I always thought It Takes A Nation was good, but Fear Of A Black Planet is great from top to bottom, with a lot of variety, which is something It Takes A Nation lacked.

William Fuld

I'm beginning to think B5Erik thinks the Hall of Fame is a sham.

cdollaz

Also, the world is out to get the San Diego Chargers.

B5Erik

Ed Hochuli, anyone??

B5Erik

With the way that the artists are nominated and voted on, don't you?

Chrisedge

This might be the only thread where I completely agree with B5Erik!

William Fuld

Absolutely, but it's nothing to get riled up about.

nothingfails

I think Jann should let the others vote in one other artist to vote in instead of playing God. This way acts like Kiss, Rush, Chicago and others who are on his shit list at least get considered,

macnorton

Wasn't it Angelica Pickles who once said, "A club isn't a club unless you don't let people in?" Seems like the God analogy works when it comes to who gets in and who doesn't.

B5Erik

A Hall of Fame isn't supposed to be based on personal feelings. It's supposed to be more objective than that.

It should be based on a combination of success, longevity, influence, and quality. There are a lot of bands - all mentioned on this thread - who DESERVE to get in, but won't because of the way the system is set up.

We're not talking about letting Eddie Money and Loverboy in, we're talking some of the most iconic artists EVER, but they don't have a chance. That's not right. That also seriously hurts the credibility of the R&RHOF.

sauce07

The RRHOF is just embarrassing, I think Metallica should get in, War was a great band (especially with Eric Burden), The Stooges I can except, but the rest should not get in. When Run DMC gets brought up nobody ever talks about how much they did for Rock & Roll, its always what they did for Aerosmith and getting rap played on MTV. I like Run DMC, but they don't fit. Little Anthony & the Imperials were good but i'm sorry they were just another doo-wop group, Wanda Jackson was too small to even be considered, Chic has some good merrits but not enough to be voted in.

This brings me, like many others, to my yearly complaint. WHY NO RUSH?

nothingfails

1. They were the first band to merge rap and rock, which led to all the Kid Rock crap and the sort. Crap for sure, but Run-DMC are responsible and credited
2. Remember, this is about the ROCK ERA, not the narrowminded idea of AC/DC and Metallica as "what rock music is supposed to be about". The rock era started in the 50's, and rap/hip hop is a very important part of the Rock era in the past 20 years. I cannot stress how many times that I hate rap music, but it's here to stay and many of the forefathers of the genre are now legends. I am with you that "rap sucks", but look at the bigger picture. This isn't meant to cater to what you or I like, but to the most significant and influencial artists of the ROCK ERA. The Rock Era encompasses all major artists from the past 50-55 years or so, not just the AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Van Halen, Ozzy Osbourne "Classic Rock" radio staples. Deal with it.

Lastyear

I'm from the Detroit area. Used to see Stooges and MC5 all the time. The MC5 were never recorded very well. If you never saw them live you have no idea how powerful they were.

Lastyear

You gotta be kidding? One of the worst bands ever. Their whole schtick was just to slow everything down. Their Beat Goes On record is probably the most pretentious drivel ever recorded.

macnorton

That doesn't surprise me at all. Both bands, from what I have seen/heard, are an open flame to gasoline...personally, music doesn't have that nowadays. Or at least, not mainstream music.

macnorton

Yup I agree. Sadly though that is not the case at all.

Actually a good example, which I have used before, is how fucked up the baseball hall of fame is. Buck O'Neil not getting in, that was tragic. But one of the arguments I have is closers. The voters bitch about the save and how a closer can't get in to the hall. They don't count the stat! It is that simple. Or the DH...get rid of it. End the argument.

No excuse for a lot of the bands listed a few pages back to not be in the hall.

benedict

By most accounts that album pretty much killed them. It happens. Remember that I'm talking more about their sound. I know that much of their output was psychedelic covers.

As I say, the band's sound has to have influenced the development of hard/heavy/prog rock. As well as the slowed down grunge-y sound, I think they pioneeered the organ before Deep Purple and other such bands.

Alongside Ginger Baker and Keith Moon, I think Carmine Appice was a pretty influential drummer. Not particularly relevant, but did you know that Appice co-wrote "D'Ya Think I'm Sexy?" and "Young Turks" for Rod Stewart? And I think he and Bogert were quite successful in both Cactus and Beck, Bogert and Appice.

Anyway, tis just a thought

Sean O'Hara

Yes, rock snobs only like AC/DC and Metallica.