We need a term for the musical equivalent of "Jump The Shark"!
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We need a term for the musical equivalent of "Jump The Shark"!
Now that "Nuke the Fridge" has (sorta) caught on as a film term, I was thinking there should be a musical equivalent to pinpoint the moment a musical artist totally alienated his devoted fan base and lost his last shred of "cool".
The most obvious examples are when singers sell out for ads. It's easy to point to Michael Jackson's hair-blazing Pepsi spot or Bob Dylan hawking ladies undergarments (God, that still hurts to type). But it's not only an embarrassing ad (or pedophilia arrest) that can be the defining moment. For example:
Prince changing his name into an unpronounceable symbol.
R.E.M. singing "Shiny Happy Monsters" on Sesame Street
U2's Discotheque video
Metallica's haircuts
Aerosmith recording a Diane Warren song for a crappy Michael Bay movie
Elvis' first movie
Paul McCartney records "Let 'Em In"
Bruce Springsteen dumps the E Street Band, replaces them with studio musicians from Toto and releases two crappy albums simultaneously.
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The list goes on & on. Anyway, I was wondering if you could add to the list and come up with a catchy term. The best I could come up with was "Dance With Muppets" since it honors R.E.M. (one of my favorite bands to that point) and because so many rock stars humiliated themselves on The Muppet Show. I'm not sold on it, though. Any thoughts?
The most obvious examples are when singers sell out for ads. It's easy to point to Michael Jackson's hair-blazing Pepsi spot or Bob Dylan hawking ladies undergarments (God, that still hurts to type). But it's not only an embarrassing ad (or pedophilia arrest) that can be the defining moment. For example:
Prince changing his name into an unpronounceable symbol.
R.E.M. singing "Shiny Happy Monsters" on Sesame Street
U2's Discotheque video
Metallica's haircuts
Aerosmith recording a Diane Warren song for a crappy Michael Bay movie
Elvis' first movie
Paul McCartney records "Let 'Em In"
Bruce Springsteen dumps the E Street Band, replaces them with studio musicians from Toto and releases two crappy albums simultaneously.
.....
The list goes on & on. Anyway, I was wondering if you could add to the list and come up with a catchy term. The best I could come up with was "Dance With Muppets" since it honors R.E.M. (one of my favorite bands to that point) and because so many rock stars humiliated themselves on The Muppet Show. I'm not sold on it, though. Any thoughts?
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isnt' the term just 'selling out'. You could argue that metallica sold out when they made the video for 'one' (they said they would never do one) or when they made the black album.
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Aerosmith sold out LONG before "Don't Want To Miss A Thing". That was just the moment where they passed a point of no return and became irrelevent (well, to everyone except the producers of the Guitar Hero franchise, that is)
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Originally Posted by Decker
Prince changing his name into an unpronounceable symbol.
R.E.M. singing "Shiny Happy Monsters" on Sesame Street
U2's Discotheque video
Metallica's haircuts
Bruce Springsteen dumps the E Street Band, replaces them with studio musicians from Toto and releases two crappy albums simultaneously.
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Originally Posted by Rypro 525
isnt' the term just 'selling out'. You could argue that metallica sold out when they made the video for 'one' (they said they would never do one) or when they made the black album.
The difference with this new fangled term that we're working on is that it works for every facet of music. The OP lists "I Don't Want To Miss a Thing" as Aerosmiths downfall. However, Aerosmith was making radio friendly music long before then. Some can argue that they've always been a "pop" rock band. Same with U2 to a degree. My point is that you can alienate a big part of your fan base without selling out. You can do it by releasing a crappy album or single.
Of course this new term can coincide with selling out as well since Metallica "jumped the shark" the same time they "sold out".
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Originally Posted by Goat3001
I agree with what you said but I think that this is different than selling out. Selling out implies that the band went from being a band that just cared about their music to a band that was in there for the money or made a move that had big financial implications either by changing their music (Metallica) or doing commercials.
The difference with this new fangled term that we're working on is that it works for every facet of music...
The difference with this new fangled term that we're working on is that it works for every facet of music...
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Regadless of the album, I felt that video was pretty embarassing.
And I like "Married The Yoko", even if that's more about the destruction of a band than the onset of the band's suckage.
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I think there's a big difference when bands "jump" compared to TV shows. Mainly because TV shows have a shorter shelf life, whereas bands/artists can last 30+ years.
A great number of artists llisted who have "jumped the shark" at one point or another (U2, Springsteen, Prince, REM, Bowie) have jumped back and redeemed themselves artistically IMO. Maybe Pop/Discotheque is seen as a low point in U2's career (I personally enjoyed it, but do agree it is one of their weakest) but there's no denying that whatever luster that album cost them, they regained it with ATYCLB and HTDAAB.
A great number of artists llisted who have "jumped the shark" at one point or another (U2, Springsteen, Prince, REM, Bowie) have jumped back and redeemed themselves artistically IMO. Maybe Pop/Discotheque is seen as a low point in U2's career (I personally enjoyed it, but do agree it is one of their weakest) but there's no denying that whatever luster that album cost them, they regained it with ATYCLB and HTDAAB.
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How about "Hot Spaced it"? In recognition of Queen's 1982 album "Hot Space" which went into the disco/funk territory (fooled by the success of "Another One Bites the Dust") after spending almost 10 years becoming one of the best rock bands around. The album helped signal their massive downfall in popularity in America.
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am I the only person who likes Discotheque? Yes, I do think the video is embarassing, especially the Village People part, but I think the song did a good job merging rock and electronica and predated The Bravery, The Killers and other groups who have made a career doing such music
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How about "Married a Model" -- fits for Billy Joel, David Bowie, The Cars, The Rolling Stones and maybe Rod Stewart (if you ever considered Rod's music to not suck).
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Originally Posted by fuzzbox
I'll cast a vote for:
"took off their makeup"
for those who remember Kiss doing it.
"took off their makeup"
for those who remember Kiss doing it.
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Originally Posted by Decker
How about "Married a Model" -- fits for Billy Joel, David Bowie, The Cars, The Rolling Stones and maybe Rod Stewart (if you ever considered Rod's music to not suck).
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"hired Gary Cherone"
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Originally Posted by fuzzbox
I'll cast a vote for:
"took off their makeup"
for those who remember Kiss doing it.
"took off their makeup"
for those who remember Kiss doing it.
* I really like all three of the above albums personally, but each could be considered the point where KISS went wrong. Well, Dynasty was a commercial success, but much less of a success with real KISS fans at the time, thus the "beginning of the end".
Last edited by cultshock; 07-03-08 at 05:20 PM.
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Originally Posted by Jason
"achieved technical ecstasy"
too obscure?
too obscure?




My vote is for this.