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Old 03-05-08 | 03:35 AM
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has anyone seen latest madonna ad?
she look so powerfull

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMDMrrul4kA
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Old 03-05-08 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by janmeyer
has anyone seen latest madonna ad?
she look so powerfull

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMDMrrul4kA
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???

What does this ad have to do with Madonna? That woman is not Madonna.
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... sorry folks in a moment i was in a doubt is she really madonna

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great article here... a lot of the "rock snobs" who think if you don't sound like AC/DC, you suck will hate this

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23298744/

Madonna: A true blue rock star
She might play pop, but that doesn’t mean she shouldn’t be in the Rock Hall

By Tony Sclafani
MSNBC contributor
updated 9:53 a.m. ET, Fri., March. 7, 2008
One of the first-ever mentions of Madonna in a national publication came in March 1984, when the new wave magazine Trouser Press ran a feature on DJ Jellybean Benitez, who was then remixing tracks for the singer. The article notes Benitez was “engaged to remix three tracks by disco/pop/rock crossover hopeful Madonna.”

Madonna may not be a “hopeful” anymore, but with her March 10 induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inching closer, people are again arguing about what kind of music she makes. In a recent msnbc.com commentary, Michael Ventre claimed Madonna’s music wasn’t rock and her induction would “undermine the credibility” of the Rock Hall. But that’s not a feeling shared by all rock fans. Madonna might not be your standard rock performer, but she’s rock-oriented enough to justify getting inducted (we’ll get to the topic of the Hall’s “credibility” later).

Contrary to Ventre’s assertions, Madonna’s early career trajectory did, in fact, follow that of rock bands like the Beatles. She started out playing New York clubs in 1979 as the drummer for the rock band Breakfast Club, before moving to lead vocals. In 1980 and 1981, she fronted the dance rock band Emmy. You don’t play rock for three years without it having some influence.

After Madonna signed with Sire Records, she continued working with Breakfast Club keyboardist Pat Leonard and Emmy drummer Stephen Bray to write some of her biggest hits, including “Into the Groove,” “Express Yourself,” “Cherish” and “Like a Prayer.” None are rock per se, but all use rock as a jumping off point. Audible evidence of Madonna’s rock roots can be found on the collection of early demos “Pre-Madonna.”

Madonna’s vocals are the key to her rock roots. Pop vocalists usually sing songs “straight,” but Madonna employs subtext, irony, aggression and all sorts of vocal idiosyncrasies in the ways John Lennon and Bob Dylan did. The ambiguity she brought to songs like “Like a Virgin” and “Holiday” never lets you know whether they were supposed to be happy, sad, satirical or all of the above. Even Madonna’s early “Minnie Mouse singing” style can be traced back to rock: the Beatles made use of similar sped-up vocals starting in 1966.

When Madonna hit the big time, her shock-your-mama presentation incited outrage like it was Elvis’ hip shakin’ heyday all over again. This caused Baby Boomers to dismiss her music as lightweight in much the same way the generation before them dismissed early rock and rollers. But in retrospect, there’s little that’s lightweight in the social commentary of “Material Girl” or “Like a Virgin,” or in the personal issues Madonna tackles in “Live to Tell,” “Keep it Together” and countless other tunes.

A corporate affair
Now let’s look at the Rock Hall. And let’s admit that it’s largely a high-level corporate soiree for record industry business people and their top-earning employees and associates.

To find out why this is, look to the Hall’s governing “foundation” (a word, by the way, that should never be used in conjunction with the phrase “rock and roll”). In 2001, Fox News’ Roger Friedman reported on how foundation director Suzan Evans was looking to get big names inducted so the Hall could sell tickets to the dinner. That explains why Eric Clapton, George Harrison and Paul McCartney have been inducted multiple times as band members and solo acts.

As Ventre correctly noted, the Rock Hall has also gone from inducting rock pioneers (Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly) to celebrating major label acts that have sold lots of product. Michael Jackson is a member. So are Billy Joel, James Taylor and the Bee Gees. Yet influential rockers like Iggy Pop, Wanda Jackson and Joan Jett are left out in the cold. Hardcore punk and progressive rock are unrepresented.

This is because the induction process is influenced by Rolling Stone magazine founder Jann Wenner, who helped conceive the Rock Hall. Last year there were accusations of Wenner engaging in vote fixing in order to ensure rappers Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five an induction.

So any questions of Madonna’s ruining the Rock Hall’s “credibility” are beside the point. What credibility is there, really? Critic Joel Selvin has pointed out that selections are also based on the personal tastes of a bunch of East Coast industry types. More and more, these people have given us a Rock Hall filled with critically correct “artists,” who thrill Baby Boomers but bore everyone else. Just in case anyone was wondering why Black Flag hasn’t been inducted yet, there’s your answer.

Risqué business
Considering all of this, Madonna’s induction is refreshing. Unlike some of the above names, her induction (and exhibit) should bring a sense of excitement to the Rock Hall. Will she say something crazy in her speech? Wonder what her performance will be like?

It’s this spirit that rock and rollers — not pop stars — brought to mainstream culture back in the day. Madonna’s persona has been called calculated, but if you do a little research, you’ll find there was also calculation in the way the Rolling Stones and countless other “scandalous” bands were presented to the public. The difference is there was less behind-the-scenes media documentation of celebrities back then.
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Why are they picking on Madonna about that her music isn't rock?
The Bee Gees are in. And Grand Master Flash are in also.
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I hadn't realized Iggy Pop is not yet in the Hall of Fame. But he's doing a tribute to Madonna for her induction. That seems a little backwards, at least considering how much longer he's been around, but maybe they'll pay attention and put him in next year (or some year).
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Originally Posted by wm lopez
Why are they picking on Madonna about that her music isn't rock?
The Bee Gees are in. And Grand Master Flash are in also.
I think people are mad because now they're having to pay up on bets they made in 1985 that Madonna would never be around in 1987, much less in the Hall Of Fame
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I think people are mad because now they're having to pay up on bets they made in 1985 that Madonna would never be around in 1987, much less in the Hall Of Fame
You are right! Now that I remember Cindy Lauper beat her out for a Grammy.
And feminists didn't like Madonna because she was too sexy.
And Madonna was bring back dance music in the pop charts just like disco did.
And she was the biggest female star of the 80's when it was all over beating out Pat Benatar.
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Madonna fans and supporters just don't get it.

It's bad enough that she gets in (as a POP star), but the fact that she got in before a LOT of really legendary ROCK bands that were making music when she was in elementary school is what is wrong.
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Originally Posted by B5Erik
Madonna fans and supporters just don't get it.

It's bad enough that she gets in (as a POP star), but the fact that she got in before a LOT of really legendary ROCK bands that were making music when she was in elementary school is what is wrong.
Then someone ELSE can make their own precious Rock N Roll ceremonies and start with that list of musicians and take it from there.
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Originally Posted by wago70
Then someone ELSE can make their own precious Rock N Roll ceremonies and start with that list of musicians and take it from there.
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Originally Posted by B5Erik
Madonna fans and supporters just don't get it.

It's bad enough that she gets in (as a POP star), but the fact that she got in before a LOT of really legendary ROCK bands that were making music when she was in elementary school is what is wrong.
Personally speaking, I'm quite happy to make you bewildered.

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I'm not bewildered, just amazed (in a negative way) by how some people have no respect for the LEGENDS of Rock and Roll.

Madonna in the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame BEFORE Yes, KISS, Deep Purple, Rush, Alice Cooper, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Jethro Tull, Boston, Roxy Music, Stevie Ray Vaughan, etc? Give me a break!

Here's the blurb from the R&RHOF website on artists inducted: "Leaders in the music industry joined together in 1983 to establish the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. One of the Foundation’s many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame."

All of the artists I listed meet all of the criteria above. Many of them still perform to sold out crowds today. And they can't even get on the nominees lists? Come on!

It's a joke.
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The RnR hall of Fame is just a hallway of signatures... it's about 1% of the museum.
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Originally Posted by GuessWho
The RnR hall of Fame is just a hallway of signatures... it's about 1% of the museum.
And how many displays for Rush, Yes, Deep Purple, KISS, Roxy Music, The Cars, Thin Lizzy, Jethro Tull, Alice Cooper, etc are in the museum?

And, keep in mind, most of the displays in the museum are temporary. The only permanent items are the inductees themselves.

Let's face it, the people voting for the inductees of the R&RHOF are not Rock fans, they're music snobs with no real sense of what Rock and Roll really is. They put in only the artists that they LIKE, and ignore what Rock fans have to say about it.
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Originally Posted by B5Erik
I'm not bewildered, just amazed (in a negative way) by how some people have no respect for the LEGENDS of Rock and Roll.

Madonna in the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame BEFORE Yes, KISS, Deep Purple, Rush, Alice Cooper, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Jethro Tull, Boston, Roxy Music, Stevie Ray Vaughan, etc? Give me a break!

Here's the blurb from the R&RHOF website on artists inducted: "Leaders in the music industry joined together in 1983 to establish the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. One of the Foundation’s many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame."

All of the artists I listed meet all of the criteria above. Many of them still perform to sold out crowds today. And they can't even get on the nominees lists? Come on!

It's a joke.
Listen, B5Erik, I understand what you are saying, and I do respect legends of rock and roll. However, don't take your anger about Madonna being inducted before them, out on Madonna, or her fans. You are directing your anger to the wrong people.

I don't know if this will make any difference to you, but, here's the reason Madonna asked Iggy and The Stooges to perform for her at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction, direct from Ron Asheton, himself:

"In reality, Asheton says, Madonna asked the Stooges to perform as an act of protest: The group, widely considered a linchpin of early punk, has yet to be inducted by the rock hall, despite six appearances on the nomination ballot. By inviting the group on stage, she sends a message, says Asheton.


Last year’s rock hall ceremony featured a similar demonstration, when the night’s inductees performed the Stooges’ “I Wanna Be Your Dog” during a jam session finale.


“Basically she was upset that we’ve been nominated so many times and never made it, so she asked us to play in protest. And it was under those auspices that I thought we were doing it,” Asheton said. “At first I went, ‘Whaaat?’ Then Iggy said, ‘Why don’t you think about it?’”


So, even Madonna understands that she's lucky to be there, and there are others who are just as deserving to be there, that aren't.
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Listen, B5Erik, I understand what you are saying, and I do respect legends of rock and roll. However, don't take your anger about Madonna being inducted before them, out on Madonna, or her fans. You are directing your anger to the wrong people.

I don't know if this will make any difference to you, but, here's the reason Madonna asked Iggy and The Stooges to perform for her at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction, direct from Ron Asheton, himself:

"In reality, Asheton says, Madonna asked the Stooges to perform as an act of protest: The group, widely considered a linchpin of early punk, has yet to be inducted by the rock hall, despite six appearances on the nomination ballot. By inviting the group on stage, she sends a message, says Asheton.


Last year’s rock hall ceremony featured a similar demonstration, when the night’s inductees performed the Stooges’ “I Wanna Be Your Dog” during a jam session finale.


“Basically she was upset that we’ve been nominated so many times and never made it, so she asked us to play in protest. And it was under those auspices that I thought we were doing it,” Asheton said. “At first I went, ‘Whaaat?’ Then Iggy said, ‘Why don’t you think about it?’”


So, even Madonna understands that she's lucky to be there, and there are others who are just as deserving to be there, that aren't.
Good post...Don't blame Madonna for accepting...Blame the idiots that pass over the good folks...
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All I've said all along is that the people running the HOF and the people voting on who gets in are a joke.

Madonna is just symptomatic of that joke. I can honestly see her getting in even if I were in charge - but only after all the worthy ROCK acts who came before her got in. There are too many great Rock bands who deserve to get in who haven't even been nominated to see Madonna's induction as anything but a slap in the face from the HOF voters to those bands and their fans.
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Originally Posted by B5Erik
All I've said all along is that the people running the HOF and the people voting on who gets in are a joke.

Madonna is just symptomatic of that joke. I can honestly see her getting in even if I were in charge - but only after all the worthy ROCK acts who came before her got in. There are too many great Rock bands who deserve to get in who haven't even been nominated to see Madonna's induction as anything but a slap in the face from the HOF voters to those bands and their fans.

Fair enough. Just as long as those people understand that the "slap in the face" doesn't come from Madonna, or her fans.
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I see things at Madonna concerts that I never see at other shows. 100% of the audience stands the entire show (will not even sit for a ballad, or a video interlude while she is not even on stage!),

Seen it at other shows

and you have to watch the audience pretty closely to catch anyone leaving to get food or drink.

Seen it at other shows

The shows hold your full attention from first to last second.

Seen it at many other shows

She is tireless, her show is a spectacle, and most importantly she is artistic and inspirational.

As are dozens of other artists



To only know her from her radio hits is to really have no idea of anything about her. I believe she has actually surpassed her own music with her performances. Watch this if you are unfamiliar with her concerts
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1kdV2J3HfKI




Anyway, as I said earlier, if Donna Summer was inducted there wouldn't be one post about it.

Right, there'd be hundreds

Somehow, the people who dislike Madonna help keep her in business almost just the same as her fans do. It's brilliant really. Comparisons to U2 and Elvis are really pointless, all 3 artists have proved themselves. Topics about who sold 5 more albums than the other are rediculous.
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Originally Posted by B5Erik
Madonna in the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame BEFORE Yes, KISS, Deep Purple, Rush, Alice Cooper, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Jethro Tull, Boston, Roxy Music, Stevie Ray Vaughan, etc? Give me a break!
So who are they going to get to induct these people? Are we going to have an unorganized Lou Reed up there reading Neal Peart lyrics? How can you induct any of these people if you can't get a clip of Bono talking about how much he respects them?
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She's in, crying about it won't change anything now
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Originally Posted by B5Erik
I'm not bewildered, just amazed (in a negative way) by how some people have no respect for the LEGENDS of Rock and Roll.

Madonna in the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame BEFORE Yes, KISS, Deep Purple, Rush, Alice Cooper, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Jethro Tull, Boston, Roxy Music, Stevie Ray Vaughan, etc? Give me a break!

Here's the blurb from the R&RHOF website on artists inducted: "Leaders in the music industry joined together in 1983 to establish the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. One of the Foundation’s many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame."

All of the artists I listed meet all of the criteria above. Many of them still perform to sold out crowds today. And they can't even get on the nominees lists? Come on!

It's a joke.
but why take it out on Madonna? Nobody gave two craps when the freaking Staples Singers got in the Hall Of Fame. They weren't rock or anything near it, and they never had a career like Madonna's, but yet they belong in there more than she does?

Or what about Michael Jackson, if Madonna isn't rock, than neither is he. Collaborations with Eddie Van Halen and Slash doesn't a rock star make. If Michael deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame for working with Eddie and Slash, then I guess you should remember Madonna's worked with Lenny Kravitz herself. And not just MJ, but The Jackson Five are in the HOF as well, do you honestly consider them rock?

Why single Madonna out? At least she EARNED her place in the HOF by staying around and remaining relevant, you can't say that about Staples Singers, can you? I mean, they had about three hits in the 70's and were never rock in the slightest. There are a lot of artists in the HOF that don't fit the narrow Stones and AC/DC attitude of what rock music is, but none of that gets under peoples skin the way it does when it's Madonna, because people hate to admit that they were wrong in 1984 that she was going to be forgotten and that Cyndi Lauper was going to be the queen of rock.

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but why take it out on Madonna? Nobody gave two craps when the freaking Staples Singers got in the Hall Of Fame. They weren't rock or anything near it, and they never had a career like Madonna's, but yet they belong in there more than she does?

Or what about Michael Jackson, if Madonna isn't rock, than neither is he. Collaborations with Eddie Van Halen and Slash doesn't a rock star make. If Michael deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame for working with Eddie and Slash, then I guess you should remember Madonna's worked with Lenny Kravitz herself. And not just MJ, but The Jackson Five are in the HOF as well, do you honestly consider them rock?

Why single Madonna out? At least she EARNED her place in the HOF by staying around and remaining relevant, you can't say that about Staples Singers, can you? I mean, they had about three hits in the 70's and were never rock in the slightest. There are a lot of artists in the HOF that don't fit the narrow Stones and AC/DC attitude of what rock music is, but none of that gets under peoples skin the way it does when it's Madonna, because people hate to admit that they were wrong in 1984 that she was going to be forgotten and that Cyndi Lauper was going to be the queen of rock.
I don't have the hard-on for Madonna that you do, but I feel she's more deserving of being there than all those antique country acts they feel necessary to enshrine as "pioneers".
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I don't have the hard-on for Madonna that you do.
actually, I couldn't care less about her upcoming album, the two songs that have surfaced online, I didn't like at all. Granted, I'll get it when it comes out but I have never been so uninterested in a new Madonna album in my life.

I just feel like people love to scapegoat Madonna for all that's wrong with the world. Yes, I agree that Rush, Kiss and Alice Cooper, amongst others deserve to be in the RNRHOF, but of all people to bitch about their lack of presence with, why Madonna? She's paid her dues and has earned her induction. If you think that in order to be in the HOF, you have to sound like Aerosmith or AC/DC, then there are countless others in the HOF who deserve the "what the!?!??!" moreso than her. Like I said earlier, The Staples Singers??? really??? Now THAT is a joke, Madonna at least had more than a couple hits, and she's no further away from "rock" than they were. Hell, some songs of hers bordered on female rock (Like A Prayer, Burning Up, etc... Iggy Pop finally proved to the world just how much of a "rock song" was there with Burning Up that nobody realized until him), can't say that about Staples Singers. What is it about a gospel/r&b group that had a few hit songs in the early 70's is so much more worthy of induction than Madonna?

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