SpaceBoy

Oh, you must misunderstand. I love the pumpkins, and live think they're great. I was confused how somebody can not like them vocally live, but in the studio, sound the same to me.

I've been lucky enough to see them lots of times, including their final two shows when I lived in Chicago still. Can't wait to catch them on the reunion. Hopefully at least.

BJacks

I wouldn't be surprised if James Iha signs on. Lately I think he's just been floating around the NYC scene. I went to a Burning Brides show last year at the Bowery Ballroom and he showed up to play backup for a couple songs.

mndtrp

Hmm . . . I may have something mixed up. While I'm not going to debate my enjoying her album, "good thing" was referring to the Smashing Pumpkins catalog. There isn't any reason to try it again and tarnishing their image.

DVD Josh

Trust me my friend, you most certainly have something mixed up I might be the biggest pumpkins fan ever. I know Dave Asselin! I have an original copy of Machina II. I'm supercool

mndtrp

Yeah, you're right. I figured out what the deal was, and D'Arcy is the only bassist that Pumpkins should have. I guess since Auf Der Maur was their last bassist, I incorrectly thought she had played with them the whole time. I think the problem is they both have kind of odd names, and that's all I could remember.

Flashback

Nothing confusing. Vocally, Corgan is all over the place live the times I saw. I, as well, have seen them live more than few times waiting for that great live show. Never happened. Sure he has a whiney voice...but at least it was consisten on tape and much better (or corrected). Live, ack! nothing there ... Side note ... have you ever heard D'Arcy sing? Makes Ono sound like a siren. Maybe she was wasted the times I heard her ...who knows.

darqleo

THEPASTEMBRACE

DVD Josh

Aren't you clever

devynal

I'll try to simplify it just for you. The "music" Billy et al. cranked out from Adore on.

Elldubtoo

Out on tour with the Smashing Pumpkins,
nature Kids, I/they don't have no function
I don't understand what they mean
and I couldn't really give a fuck.

Grimfarrow

I couldn't really give a fuck about Pavement either. Blech.

UAIOE

I don't consider Machina to qualify as "techno" or really "music" for that matter.

I can tolerate some of Adore but Machina is just excessive whining from Uncle Fester himself. The only time i tolerated or even liked "The everlasting gaze" was when i heard it on the final show CD i have. No shitty overproduction and 1/5 the whine.

Cameron

i would rather see the original band reform now while they still have some youth in them. As opposed to some old farts cranking out the greatest hits

auto

C'mon. You really do not consider this album to be "music"? I think you're reaching here.

UAIOE

I'm not reaching.

"Machina" is a bloated mass of overproduced garbage.

It's just my opnion, but i cannot stand a single song that was on that album.

I enjoyed The Pumpkins when thier music was more "raw" and less "glam" (if you will). I'd rather they stay broken up than having to listen to more Machina-ish efforts.

Say no to a Machina 3.

auto

That very well may be your opinion. But to claim that it is not "music" is obviously an exageration.

DVD Josh

One of the things that led to the downfall of Smashing Pumpkins in popular music circles (and Pearl Jam to some extent in those same circles) was that everyone kept wanting SD / MCIS Pts. 2-10 on every album. SP took a chance and tried a new direction. I enjoyed it, not as much as previous releases (and WAY more than whatever Radiohead became), but Billy did not want to keep blaring his guitars.

Here's something interesting. There *are* rock versions of the Adore and Machina songs, and they are fucking awesome. Try and dl some live songs, especially Ava Adore and Heavy Metal Machine. Killer tracks (and Dross and Eye too). I had the opportunity to meet Billy backstage after an Adore show, where the band played almost the entire album rock style. I said to him that I felt that if he released a "rock" version of the album, like he played them that night, the album would be in the stratosphere. He agreed with me, but said that wasn't what he wanted to do. Then he thanked me for trading with him once (I used to be a rather large SP trader) under his alias!! He was trying to get some older shows he didn't tape himself. Very crazy to learn that.

SpaceBoy

I agree DVD Josh, I enjoyed Machina and Adore quite a bit, then again I enjoy the new PJ releases alot too, and many people like you said, feel they are dead, simply because they don't like the music anymore, or because it has changed.

mndtrp

I haven't heard Machina, and very little of Adore, but am blown away by 'Eye' on the Lost Highway Soundtrack. Are those albums similar to that song? I enjoyed the few songs I heard off of Adore, even if they were a pretty big departure from the previous.

Pretty cool story, Josh.

DVD Josh

I would say Machina is closer to Eye than Adore.

Here's a treat for you for liking my story. Post back and tell me what you think:

http://act4.skegg.net/robpaterson-eye.wmv

mndtrp

Edit: Nevermind, Firefox doesn't like your link. IE is all over it.

Grimfarrow

"Adore", IMO, is the best album the Pumpkins had ever released. I have listened to that thing hundreds of time, and to this day it remains one of my favourites of the 90's.

And despite how much the album is maligned, I also liked "MACHINA" quite a bit. I mean, how can anyone not like "I of the Mourning" or "Raindrops + Sunshowers"?

DVD Josh

That is strange, since I linked it from Firefox

DVD Josh

I will never fault a fellow pumpkins fan for his opinion. I will say that the rock versions of these songs are incredible from these albums.

To me, it's all about SD. It's a perfect album, start to finish.

mndtrp

I may not have waited long enough for it to load in Firefox. A bit of a buzz, high speed internet, and all patience goes out the window.

Cool video. And now, many questions.

1) The guy in the video is too skinny to be Billy. Unless, of course, he lost a lot of weight. Who is it? If it's the person in my second question, skip this one.

2) Who is Rob Paterson? Google-ing (how do you 'ing' Google?) pulls up blogs. I'm guessing this is not a blog.

3) Is this an interlude in his concert? That'd be pretty smooth to have a band going, and then this song for a chill moment. Still a cool song.

4) Thanks! (not a question, but I needed a fourth)