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turborobb 02-17-06 05:06 PM

why do people still care about GnR? hasn't this album been coming out for 10 years now? If you want to hear some really good Sunset Strip hair metal from a band that actually still puts out new music, go buy one of the new L.A. Guns CDs.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...CLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
Man On The Moon (2001)

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Waking The Dead (2002)

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Tales From The Strip (2005)

I suck! lol images fixed

auto 02-17-06 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by turborobb
why do people still care about GnR? hasn't this album been coming out for 10 years now? If you want to hear some really good Sunset Strip hair metal from a band that actually still puts out new music, go buy one of the new L.A. Guns CDs.

http://www.laguns.net/html/discograp...rs/lp_moon.jpg
Man On The Moon (2001)

http://www.laguns.net/html/discograp.../lp_waking.jpg
Waking The Dead (2002)

http://www.laguns.net/html/discograp...s/lp_tales.jpg
Tales From The Strip (2005)

I'd consider it but their album covers suck.

http://teamkyoto.free.fr/data/500/4blind.JPG

Nesbit 02-17-06 08:09 PM

Heard some more possible songs from the new album and a few of them sound like Elton John balads. Was Elton John ever thought of as a complete ass when he was in his heavy drug years? Wondering because that style doesn't come off too well when you think of the person as a complete joke/ass.

Geofferson 02-18-06 02:17 PM

I heard IRS on a local rock station last night. Definitely not the song I expected to hear, but will give it a few more listens before I make a solid opinion on it. I'm still in kind of a shock. ;)

dvduser6 02-18-06 04:48 PM

Listened to IRS yesterday. Clearly, this sounds nothing like GNR. I think those that buy or listen to the new material thinking it picks up where UUI 1 & 2 left off, they are probably in for a disappointment. If you can listen to it as an Axl Rose solo album and ignore the fact that it's still going to be filed under "G", you may have a different opinion. FWIW, I didn't think the track was that bad. Not ground-breaking, but if the rest of the disc has some tracks on par with this, it may not be a bad listen.

Matt 02-18-06 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by Jippy
If you can listen to it as an Axl Rose solo album and ignore the fact that it's still going to be filed under "G", you may have a different opinion.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I was listening to the tracks the other day. When I buy the album and put it on my iPod, I don't think there's any way that I can label it "Guns N' Roses" and feel good about it. I'm usually a stickler for having things labeled "correctly," but to do so in this case would be an insult to the old guys. I think I'll just call it "The Axl Rose Project" or "The Axl Rose Musical Revue" or something.

But I'm like most of you guys--I didn't think the new stuff sounded that bad. Obviously nowhere near the old Gn'R, but a hell of a lot better than "Oh My God," though, too. I'm a little more optimistic about the record now.

Matt 02-22-06 01:22 PM

From a duplicate thread:


Leaked Guns N' Roses Tracks Give Fans Hope

NEW YORK - Guns N' Roses fans went into frenzied overdrive when three studio-quality tracks from the mythical "Chinese Democracy" album were leaked onto the Internet.

The leaks came just weeks after frontman Axl Rose ended his hermit-like lifestyle by venturing out to a Korn tour launch party in Los Angeles and to trendy nightclubs for some post-birthday bashes (his 44th) in Manhattan.

Asked at the Korn bash about "Chinese Democracy," which has been in the making for a decade, Rose told Rolling Stone.com that "people will hear music this year."

The tracks leaked Wednesday take a different direction from Rose's traditional raunchy Sunset Strip-style rock. "Better" has emo/industrial touches mixed with Rose's trademark vocals and hard rock backdrop. "There Was A Time" is a rough studio mix of a power ballad with similarities to GNR's classic "Estranged." "IRS" is closer to the sound of yesteryear, with powerful guitar solos and classic rock flavor.

Rose's manager, Merck Mercuriadis, ordered the Internet sites to remove the links, but declined to comment on them. Fans also sent one of the leaked tracks to radio stations. Mercuriadis said cease-and-desist orders were sent to the stations, but some, such as WAAF in Boston, still had "IRS" in heavy rotation Monday night.

News also surfaced Monday that several music festivals, such as the Rock in Rio-Lisboa and the NovaRock festival in Austria, had booked the band to play in May and June, respectively.

Lisa Reed, wife of keyboard player Dizzy Reed, said on her husband's web site that "all signs point to (the album) getting closer and closer," and she pleaded with fans not to leak the rest of the album.

"It's like shaking all your Christmas presents on the 23rd of December," she wrote, "and figuring out what they are."

Dr. Henry Jones, Jr. 02-22-06 02:30 PM

Guns N Roses.... Emo?

cungar 02-22-06 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by Mrs.Nesbit
Heard some more possible songs from the new album and a few of them sound like Elton John balads. Was Elton John ever thought of as a complete ass when he was in his heavy drug years? Wondering because that style doesn't come off too well when you think of the person as a complete joke/ass.

When I was in high school in the late 70's he was losing his popularity and it was pretty uncool to be a fan of his. Everyone at my school were into Zeppelin, Cheap Trick, Queen etc. I remember a kid wearing an Elton John shirt to school and being ridiculed. Of course in the mid 70's before he announced his bisexuality, he was the biggest act in the world.

Dudikoff 02-22-06 10:51 PM

With studio help, as always, Axl's voice can still sound very good. That high note that he hits at the end of I.R.S. is incredible. I love the song just for that. There's no way he can sound that good live. Come to think of it, he always sounded pretty shitty live. God please let this album come out. I need some good hard rock music this year.

SeekOnce 02-22-06 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by Dudikoff
With studio help, as always, Axl's voice can still sound very good. That high note that he hits at the end of I.R.S. is incredible. I love the song just for that. There's no way he can sound that good live. Come to think of it, he always sounded pretty shitty live. God please let this album come out. I need some good hard rock music this year.

Reminds me of that performance at the MTV Music Awards (I think) just a couple years ago. All out of breath. Couldn't hit the high notes. Quite embarassing. Alot of talk about it afterwards I remember.

Dudikoff 02-22-06 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by SeekOnce
Reminds me of that performance at the MTV Music Awards (I think) just a couple years ago. All out of breath. Couldn't hit the high notes. Quite embarassing. Alot of talk about it afterwards I remember.

He couldn't hit the high notes when I saw him in 1991. He has a great studio voice though, like most singers. I'm listening to Def Leppard right now and Joe Elliot's voice is very similiar to Axl's. Velvet Revolver should've got Elliot as thier lead.

Cyberock 02-23-06 02:12 AM

I was a huge GnR fan! I will have to agree that the leaked tracks I have heard sound nothing like GnR. The songs aren't bad though. I'll buy the cd when it comes out.

Nesbit 02-23-06 07:44 PM

OK after listening to IRS a few dozen times I've made up my mind about it. It is a good song but not something that should be on an album that is 10+ years in the making. It isn't like the band hasn't been in the studio. Even with the off time they have been in the studio for a LONG TIME.

For big GNR fans I think it is a lot like Perfect Crime. Awesome song with lyrics about what Axl is going to do or did but you never really get to understand what the fuck he is singing about which almost ruin it. You have to be a pretty big GNR fan to remember Perfect Crime and you'll have to be a pretty big fan to remember IRS in 5-6 years.

If IRS' lyrics weren't embarrassingly bad it would be a great song. Oh and I think Axl hit plenty of notes like he did at the end of IRS on the Use Your Illusion albums. Good song. Hopefully it's not the first single that they are banking on to be a huge hit because the thing will sink.

Bugg 02-23-06 08:03 PM


I'm listening to Def Leppard right now and Joe Elliot's voice is very similiar to Axl's.
:hscratch:

They don't sound even a little bit similiar to me.

DVD Josh 02-23-06 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by Bugg
:hscratch:

They don't sound even a little bit similiar to me.

What? I confuse Wanna Get Rocked for Mr. Brownstone all the time.

Matt 02-23-06 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by Mrs.Nesbit
Oh and I think Axl hit plenty of notes like he did at the end of IRS on the Use Your Illusion albums.

With more studio help, though. The high notes he's hitting on these recordings sound completely unnatural, compared to what the high notes on the older albums sounded like. And it's highly-unlikely that his voice would have gotten that much better in fifteen years.

Listen to the (oft-forgotten) Live Era album. For people familiar with their live shows, the vocals on the live album sounded totally fake. His high notes sounded nowhere near that clean during their live shows (especially as the show progressed), so they tweaked it in the studio (if they didn't re-record it entirely) to make it "sound better" for the live album.

No reason to think they wouldn't have done the same this time around.

Dudikoff 02-23-06 10:56 PM


Originally Posted by Bugg
:hscratch:

They don't sound even a little bit similiar to me.

Listen to High N' Dry, where the vocals aren't quite as over-produced as Pyromania and Hysteria. I'm not saying that they sound identical, just that they have very similiar vocal styles.

GuessWho 03-07-06 05:45 PM

This press release hit the newswires today


March 06, 2006 12:30 PM US Eastern Timezone
Axl Rose Responds to Lawsuit

LOS ANGELES--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 6, 2006--W. Axl Rose, on Friday March 3, 2006 responded to one of Saul "Slash" Hudson's baseless lawsuits by filing a counterclaim asking the Federal Court to confirm his ownership of his own creative works. Slash and Michael "Duff" McKagan had previously filed cases both in Federal Court and in the Los Angeles Superior Court making numerous false allegations about Axl. Mr. Rose believes that once apprised of the true facts the Judge or Jury deciding these lawsuits will rule in Axl's favor on every issue before them.

More surprising to Axl are recent media reports that Slash (Saul Hudson) is claiming that he has always been supportive of Axl Rose and the new Guns N' Roses. Slash's actions in recent years have in fact been anything but supportive. Besides the lawsuits filed against Axl Rose, claiming, among other things, that Axl does not own the copyright in the songs that Axl co-authored with his former Guns N' Roses band mates, Slash has continually made negative and malicious statements about Axl in order to garner publicity for himself.

As an example the Federal lawsuit Hudson and McKagan filed was based on a faulty premise from the start. What Hudson and McKagan attempted to portray as egregious misconduct by Axl was in fact -- as Slash and Duff have learned -- nothing more than a clerical error committed by ASCAP. Had Slash and Duff or their representatives bothered to pick up the phone the clerical error could have been easily sorted out without the need for filing an utterly baseless lawsuit which one can only assume had been filed for the purposes of self-publicity at Axl's expense.

The lawsuit also attacks Axl's integrity as Slash and Duff, in a vindictive attempt to aggrandize their own stature, re-write history through false statements, which have been repeated by the media. Their attacks on Axl stand in sharp contrast to Rose's conduct. Axl has at all times worked diligently to maintain the artistic integrity of the band by choosing with great care which properties to license Guns N' Roses songs to and refusing to participate in what he believed were potentially embarrassing projects. He has fought to avoid the release of material that does not live up to the highest of standards demanded by the band's history and it's followers. Axl chose not to respond through the media while taking the high road in the face of Slash and Duff's attacks. Hudson and McKagan, by contrast, have told ever changing - and false - stories regarding the formation of the band and it's history and believe that the band's catalogue should be exploited without careful consideration - for the Guns N' Roses brand and their loyal audience - or Axl's input as if it were fast food by anyone willing to pay for it.

For over 10 years Slash, a consummate press, photo and media opportunist and manipulator, has attacked Axl Rose on a number of levels. Slash's actions whether in or out of Gun's N' Roses have been a complete betrayal across the board of his alleged friendship and business relationship with Axl and the so called brotherhood and band loyalties that are supposed to have existed. Instead Slash has publicly attempted, by soliciting public and media support, to take credit for something that was not his or anyone else's to take, notwithstanding that Slash played a major part in the success of the band as Axl has continually acknowledged.

Mr. Rose's attorney Howard Weitzman commented, "Axl regrets having to spend time and energy on these distractions but he has a responsibility to protect the Guns N' Roses legacy and expose the truth. Axl believes he has been left with no alternative but to respond to these lawsuits. It would have been Axl's preference to resolve disputes with Slash and Duff in private. The courthouse is not his choice of forum. However, Axl could no longer sit quietly and allow the continuing dissemination of falsehoods and half-truths by his former band-mates."

tofu 03-07-06 06:02 PM

I just saw that Axl and Guns N Roses was added to the Roskilde Festival lineup. I wonder if he'll actually show up.

Nesbit 03-08-06 02:29 PM

Axl Unloads on Ex-Gunners

Axl Rose is making his old Guns N' Roses band mates feel unwelcome to the jungle.

GN'R's former ringleader filed court papers Friday asking a federal judge to affirm that Rose has "ownership of all creative works" stemming from his days fronting the legendary rock outfit.

The legal action is the latest salvo in Rose's long-running feud with former guitarist Slash and bassist Michael "Duff" McKagan. The latter musicians filed a lawsuit in August accusing the flame-haired singer of trying to dupe them out of royalties.

Slash and Duff, now members of Velvet Revolver, alleged in their complaint that Rose's "arrogance and ego" kept them from receiving their fair share of a multimillion-dollar publishing deal he signed with Sanctuary Group.

In his counterclaim and a written statement, Rose, 44, says Slash and Duff's suit was "based on a faulty premise from the start."

Rose's lawyer, Howard Weitzman, asserts the "egregious behavior" Slash and Duff accused Rose of was the result of a "clerical error" by the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers. Weitzman says in a press release that had Slash and Duff made some calls the problem would have been resolved quickly; however, the attorney says, they decided to pursue the matter in the courts due to their desire for "self-publicity."

"Mr. Rose believes that once apprised of the true facts the Judge or Jury deciding these lawsuits will rule in Axl's favor on every issue before them," Weitzman continues.

The release claims Slash and Duff continue to offer "ever changing and false stories" about how the group got its start and that the two rockers want to commercially exploit Guns N' Roses' roster of hits--including "Welcome to the Jungle," "Paradise City" and "Sweet Child O' Mine"--"as if it were fast food by anyone willing to pay for it."

"Their attacks on Axl stand in sharp contract to Rose's conduct," continues the statement. "Axl has at all times worked diligently to maintain the artistic integrity of the band by choosing with great care which properties to license Guns N' Roses songs to and refusing to participate in what he believed were potentially embarrassing projects."

"Axl regrets having to spend time and energy on these distractions but he has a responsibility to protect the Guns N' Roses legacy and expose the truth," Weitzman says. "Axl believes he has been left with no alternative and but to respond to these lawsuits....[He] could no longer sit quietly and allow the continuing dissemination of falsehoods and half-truths by his former bandmates."

Reps for Slash and Duff did not immediately comment.

Ironically, Rose's dissing of his former mates comes just weeks after Slash gushed to a British radio station that he was looking forward to Rose and his revamped Guns N' Roses lineup finally releasing the forever-in-the-works Chinese Democracy album this year.

Several tracks from the disc were leaked to the Internet in recent days, generating big buzz among fans before Rose's lawyers ordering sites to take down the tracks. The three songs remain in heavy rotation on file-sharing sites, however, and have also popped up on radio station playlists.

There's still no official word on when Chinese Democracy will hit stores, but Rose and his new Gunners are scheduled to play several festival dates this summer in Europe, perhaps to be followed by a full-blown tour.


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YourOlympicHero 03-09-06 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by tofu
I just saw that Axl and Guns N Roses was added to the Roskilde Festival lineup. I wonder if he'll actually show up.

Here's the dates announced so far for their European Tour -

Rock in Rio V - May 27th (Lisboa, Portugal)
Gods of Metal Festival - June 4th (Milan, Italy)
RDS Arena - June 9th (Dublin, Ireland)
Download Festival - June 11th (Donnington, England)
Sazka Arena - June 13th (Prague, Czech Republic)
Legia Stadium - June 15th (Warsaw, Poland)
Nova Rock Festival - June 17th (Burgenland, Austria)
Palais Omnisports de Paris-Bercy - June 20th (Paris, France)
Graspop Metal Meeting - June 24th (Dessel, Belgium)
Globen Arena - June 26th (Stockholm, Sweden)
Roskilde Festival - June 29th (Roskilde, Denmark)
Hartwall Arena - July 5th (Helsinki, Finland)

DrRingDing 03-10-06 06:54 PM

yay. they're coming to prague. i. can't. wait... i'm very skeptical, suffice it to say.

benedict 03-11-06 04:59 PM

Elsewhere....
 
....

VELVET REVOLVER/ex-STONE TEMPLE PILOTS frontman Scott Weiland has slammed GUNS N' ROSES singer Axl Rose for his comments in a recent press release where he claimed that in October of 2005, VELVET REVOLVER/ex-GUNS N' ROSES guitarist Slash visited Axl's house at 5:30 one morning and said he wanted to "end the war" with Rose. Rose alleged that Slash tore into his current bandmates in VELVET REVOLVER, calling singer Weiland a "fraud," saying that he "hates" drummer Matt Sorum and describing bassist Duff McKagan as "spineless."

The press release stated, "It would have been Axl's preference to resolve disputes with Slash and Duff in private...However, Axl could no longer sit quietly and allow the continuing dissemination of falsehoods and half-truths by his former bandmates."

Responding to Axl's comments, Weiland wrote in an open letter, "Get in the ring. Go to the gym, motherfucker, or if you prefer, get a new wig, motherfucker. I think I'll resist the urge to 'stoop' to your level. Oh shit, here it comes, you fat, botox-faced, wig-wearin' fuck! O.K., I feel better now.

"Don?t think for a second we don't know where those words came from. Your unoriginal, uncreative little mind ? the same mind that had to rely on its bandmates to write melodies and lyrics. Who's the fraud now, bitch?

"Damn, I couldn't imagine people writing for me. How many albums have you put out, man, and how long did it take the current configuration of this so-called 'band' to make this album? How long? And without the only guys that validated the name.

"How dare you! Shame on you! How dare you call our bass player 'spineless?' We toured our album over a year and a half. How many shows have you played over the last ten years? Oh, that's right ? you bailed out on your long-awaited comeback tour, leaving your remaining fans feeling, shall we say, a trifle miffed?! I won't even list what I've accomplished because I don't need to. What we're talking about here is a frightened little man who once thought he was king, but unfortunately this king without his court is nothing but a memory of the asshole he once was."
The guy has a point, IMNSHO.

;)


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