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Ice Cube...The Man, The Rapper, The Movie Star, The Sellout?

Old 06-01-04, 09:32 PM
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Ice Cube...The Man, The Rapper, The Movie Star, The Sellout?

How many Ice Cube fans out there? Has anyone ever seen him do any interviews on either Larry King Live, 60 Minutes, or Dateline? I would like to hear him talk about his transition from his early career as a hard , raw, racially outspoken rapper, to what appears to be a mainstream moviestar who'll star an anything for a quick buck(Torque).

I thoroughy enjoy his earlier albums but it seems he has done a complete 180 as far as the tough act persona goes. Remember some of his lyrics from his Predator CD? We're talking harsh, racially controversal, "kill all the white people with their devilish blue eyes" type stuff. Ofcourse I don't condone everything he had to say, but damn, it's amazing how white kids used to buy his albums in droves, even though they contain some of the most racial, derogetory lyrics that's been put on wax. Hell, he was a guest rapper on Sista Soulja's CD.

To the white people out there who are Ice Cube fans...how do you feel when listening to his CDs? Is it uncomfortable listening to some of his songs or do approach them with an open mind? Are you of the opinion that the whole racial thing was just act?. Or has he just changed and genuinely softened up over the years? He certainly seems not to harbor any ill feelings towards whites anymore. He's extremely mainstream now(almost in an MC Hammer kinda way). Do you consider him selling out from the tough, raw act? I mean, I woulda never imagined him doing a movie like Torque or *gasp*, Anaconda.
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I seriously love all of his early records. Death Certificate, Lethal Injection, Predator, etc....they are all freaking great! And of course his role in NWA.

Loved Friday (the first one) and Barbershop, but everything else I've seen him in hasn't really done anything for me.
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He grew up and started a family. I think he'd be an idiot if he was still trying to be a hardcore thug.

He has talked in interviews about his progression from gangster rapper to movie star.

As far as his music, it never really bothered me, even though I'm white. I still love listening to NWA. It seemed all tough and hardcore when I listened to it as a kid. Now I just listen to it for its camp value.
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Same with Ice Tea. He had that big "Cop Killer" song controversy, and now, doesn't he play some kind of cop on tv?
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Old 06-02-04, 11:33 AM
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Same with Ice Tea. He had that big "Cop Killer" song controversy, and now, doesn't he play some kind of cop on tv?
Yeah, he is on Law & Order SVU I think.
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Old 06-02-04, 02:22 PM
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It's called branching out, not selling out.

I stick my "sellout" comments towards artists who completely change their style to blow up and become superstars.
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Personally I think it's hideous that he uses so many references to 9/11 and compares himself to the Taliban on the newest Westside Connection album. To me this is blatent opportunism.

As for selling out, yes perhaps he has.

His earlier work was his best. I do think the racist remarks were mostly for show or at least exaggerated for publicity reasons though.

I did enjoy the beef with Cypress Hill and the fact that he had to "bow down" to Sen Dogg.

But all in all, I'm not very interested in Ice Cube anymore (or at least for now).

But I'll reminice and listen to "Today was a Good Day" anyday.
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Originally posted by the aftermath
It's called branching out, not selling out.

I stick my "sellout" comments towards artists who completely change their style to blow up and become superstars.
I don't think he's a sellout either. Just trying to make a living. I mean, these guys have to realize that they can't rap forever.
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Originally posted by saoirse
Personally I think it's hideous that he uses so many references to 9/11 and compares himself to the Taliban on the newest Westside Connection album. To me this is blatent opportunism.

As for selling out, yes perhaps he has.

His earlier work was his best. I do think the racist remarks were mostly for show or at least exaggerated for publicity reasons though.

I did enjoy the beef with Cypress Hill and the fact that he had to "bow down" to Sen Dogg.

But all in all, I'm not very interested in Ice Cube anymore (or at least for now).

But I'll reminice and listen to "Today was a Good Day" anyday.
Interesting post. I didn't know there was a new WSC album. I haven't even heard the first one. And Today was a Good Day is excellent.

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He has talked in interviews about his progression from gangster rapper to movie star.
Would you happen to have any sources or links I can read?
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Originally posted by the aftermath
I stick my "sellout" comments towards artists who completely change their style to blow up and become superstars.
:cough:black eyed peas:cough:
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Exactly.
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I realized Cube had "sold out" back when I saw him at the second Lollapollooza (1992 maybe) show. I was so excited to see him and then totally dissappointed because he completely changed all of his "whitey is the devil" type lyrics in all his songs. I still continued to listen to him, buy his records, and watch his movies (I think I was the only one in theatre for "Friday"). It just got harder to "believe" his hardcore lyrics. They became funny.

And I don't want to get started on him working with Color Me Bad

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Originally posted by Amel
I realized Cube had "sold out" back when I saw him at the second Lollapollooza (1992 maybe) show. I was so excited to see him and then totally dissappointed because he completely changed all of his "whitey is the devil" type lyrics in all his songs. I still continued to listen to him, buy his records, and watch his movies (I think I was the only one in theatre for "Friday"). It just got harder to "believe" his hardcore lyrics. They became funny.
Wow you hit it right on the head. The rawness of the lyrics is what I miss. When I heard he was doing Lollapollooza I knew he wasn't the same. I was like WTF???


And I don't want to get started on him working with Color Me Bad
PLEASE tell me you're joking! Link?

Oh and then there's the...*gasp*...Korn collaboration
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Originally posted by isamu
PLEASE tell me you're joking! Link?
You sure you want to know? Click onthis, but only after you decided if you can live with truth.

I remember when this first happened it was a huge letdown. But a few years later, after all the movie stuff (writing, directing, starring) started, it became apparent why he was decided to direct their video.

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Oh and then there's the...*gasp*...Korn collaboration
Fukk Dying!
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so who is Ice Cube?
i'm a rapper, actor, macker
got a little problem with the redneck cracker

It edits out cracker with an "a" at the end???

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Originally posted by Amel
You sure you want to know? Click onthis, but only after you decided if you can live with truth.
Actually, that link states that DJ Pooh worked with CMB, not Ice Cube.
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Actually, that link states that DJ Pooh worked with CMB, not Ice Cube.
Yes, DJ Pooh worked on the album, but if you read the next line it tells you that Cube directed their video.

For their second album Whitney Houston/Barbra Streisand producer David Foster was recruited, alongside the barely complementary skills of DJ Pooh, more familiar from his work with Ice Cube. The gangsta rapper himself stopped by to direct the video for the title track, which was also the first single to be lifted from the album.
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So he directed their video for a little extra cash. Point being?
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So he directed their video for a little extra cash. Point being?
Point being? Have you ever listened to Cube? Especially during the time period we're talking about? Here's just one example. These are the lyrics to the song "Horny Lil Devil" from "Death Certificate" (and pay close attention to the last five lines):

You are the prince of darkness
Arch enemy, father of evil
Hell born, demonic, savage, fierce, viscious, wild
Tameless, barbaric, uncontrollabe, obstinate beast

[Verse One:]

Horny little devil, you gotta back up
Horny little devil, you can't bust a nut
Lookin at my girlfriend's black skin
You wanna jump in, but she don't like white men
So don't throw that work you ****in jerk
Or get your punk devil ass hurt ************
She ain't with the pale face
Cause y'all **** at a snail's pace
And you might get sprayed with mace
By the ebony
So when she's doing her job you better let her be
Don't try to pinch the gluterus
Thinkin that you about to knock out the uterus
Cause she'll tell you to kiss her ass quick
And where I'm from, devils get their ass kicked
Mr. Sexual Harrasment
Asking for a blow while the answer is "**** no"
Looks like you wanna terminate
But that's when I go Psycho like Norman Bates
I wanna kill the devil for talkin shit
Cause he can't get a taste of the chocolate
African breast; cause white bitches got no butt and no chest
Black women have bodies like goddesses
Sorta like Venus, but put away your penis
Cause the devil is a savage ************
That's why I'm lighter than the average brother
Cause you raped our women and we felt it
But it'll never happen again if I can help it (me neither)
Cause nobody in my neighborhood has caught jungle fever yet
So horny little devil, you better listen
Before your ass comes up missin
and it's like that

[Verse Two:]

Now you wanna get me
Horny little must be a *******
Tryin to **** me out my land and my manhood
Got broke eating Spam and canned goods
Locking down on my neighborhoods
Treat me less than a man cause right now you got the upper hand
But my ass is a virgin
You mignt have ****ed the Indians
but you can't surgeon me
And when I'm on top I wont be ****in ya
I'd rather put a buck in ya
Cause I hate the devil with a passion
and when I see the whites of his eyes I start blastin
Dig a hole and throw his ass in
And I won't be happy til I'm down to my last ten
Get his ****in pitchfork
Tie him up, and then feed the bitch pork
Little devil wanna **** me out my pay
But horny little devil true niggaz aren't gay
And you can't play with my Yo-Yo
and definitely can't play with me you ****in ****
Cause we'll blow your head off
And turn that white sheet into a red cloth
Plus when they're all dead
I can quit that jheri juice and get a bald head
Then let it nap up
Go down to the corner store and beat the Jap up
Clean all the crap up
out my city
Now the whole block look shitty
Put his dick on a wood block
Swing swing swing, and chop chop chop
Now who's the next to nut
Color Me Badd, but you can't sex me up

So don't even try to put a dick in a die
Because this is what why in 1991 I'ma get my gun
Put an end to the devil, so get a ****ing shovel

[repeat chorus]
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It is different seeing the guy in Barbershop 2 and the rapper in the videos as the same person. But rappers are mostly braggers and storytellers as only a very limited few have done or own what they rap about.

In the end it's just a guy making a living like everybody else.
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