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Old 09-09-03, 02:57 AM
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What is the difference between rap and hip-hop?

I'd really like to know.

Also, what is Outkast's new song "Hey ya", meaning which of the two if either.
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Old 09-09-03, 03:57 AM
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Hip Hop describes the culture. The clothes, dance, language, music scene, etc. Rap is part of the Hip Hop music scene along with DJ'ing.
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Old 09-09-03, 04:42 AM
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yeah, I've always thought of "Hip Hop" comming up during the late 80's and throughout the 90's. Yes the culture and also the mass appeal that suddenly hit the genre. To me Rap is the more "classic" form of the music form(sugar hill gang and others)
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• Quoth Giantrobo •
To me Rap is the more "classic" form of the music form(sugar hill gang and others)



Ironic, considering the opening lyrics to their most famous work.

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Originally posted by Giantrobo
yeah, I've always thought of "Hip Hop" comming up during the late 80's and throughout the 90's. Yes the culture and also the mass appeal that suddenly hit the genre. To me Rap is the more "classic" form of the music form(sugar hill gang and others)
If you look at the roots of Hip Hop it actually got it's start in the early 70's. It was a sub-culture of the Black culture that had a style all it's own. Back then really the only music part of that culture was DJ'ing and Emmcee'ing (from which Rap emerged). Now Hip Hop has become the dominant culture and other music forms have mutated into the Hip Hop music scene like Hip Hop RnB and some of the electronica beat music. Although I would say that most of the electronica beat stuff is more a sub-culture of Hip Hop.

Even though I can't stand 99% of what is considered Hip Hop music, it's pretty interesting how Hip Hop all came about and like Jazz can actually be traced to it's founders.

Most people don't realise that groups like the Sugar Hill Gang, Grand Master Flash and others got their start in the early 70s.

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Old 09-09-03, 12:30 PM
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Hip Hop:
In the terminology of rap music, Hip-Hop usually refers to the culture — graffiti-spraying, breakdancing, and turntablism in addition to rapping itself — surrounding the music. As a style however, hip-hop refers to music created with those values in mind. Once rap had been around long enough to actually have a history, hip-hop groups began looking back to old-school figures including MCs like Kurtis Blow and Whodini, and DJs like Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaataa. In fact, the latter's Zulu Nation collective sprang up in the late '80s around two of the most notable hip-hop artists, De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest. With rap music's mainstream breakout during the '90s, dozens of hip-hop artists pointed the way back to the old school, including underground rappers like Mos Def and Pharoahe Monch.
Rap:
To the untrained ear, all rap and hip-hop may sound the same, but there's a number of different levels in even the simplest rap song. At its core, hip-hop is a post-modern musical genre that deconstructs familiar sounds and songs, rebuilding them as entirely new, unpredictable songs. Early rap records, commonly called "old school," were made by DJs scratching records and playing drum loops, with MCs rapping over the resulting rhythms. As the genre progressed, hard-rock guitars and hard-hitting beats were introduced by Run-D.M.C., the first hardcore rap group, and the scratching techniques were replaced by sampling. With their dense collages of samples, beats and white noise, Public Enemy took sampling to the extreme, and they helped introduce a social and political conscience to hip-hop. That faded in the '90s, as gangsta rap — originally introduced by NWA, who used Public Enemy's sound as a template — became the dominant form. By the '90s, gangsta rap, which originally was in direct opposition to such pop-oriented rappers as MC Hammer, had become smoothed over and stylish, and consequently was more popular than ever, as evidenced by the success of pop-gangsta Puff Daddy.
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[hater]Nothing. They're both crap.[/hater]
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[hater]Nothing. They're both crap.[/hater]
Exactly how I see it
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What is the difference between rap and hip-hop?
I clicked on this expecting a punchline...
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Actually, for me - Hip Hop is everything BEFORE P.Crappy..
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Where does Outkast fall then?
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Old 09-09-03, 04:04 PM
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F*** this is hip-hop and this is rap, it came from the same place.

"Hey Ya" is neither, it's pop.
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Originally posted by Aghama
F*** this is hip-hop and this is rap, it came from the same place.

"Hey Ya" is neither, it's pop.
I would say its more R&B/Neo-Soul. Oh....and a damn good song.
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Originally posted by JNielsen
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I was going with the second definition.
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Old 09-09-03, 11:51 PM
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I think of hip hop as the umbrella above every style. Follow me with an analogy to rock, because I don't know all the sub genres of hip hop.

You have rock at the top and under that all the sub genres: classic rock, modern rock, prog rock, heavy metal, nu metal, alternative, punk, etc. they are all forms of rock.

where as rap, r&b, etc. are forms of hip hop, which would be at the top.

make sense?
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Exactly how I see it
Let me guess, you listen to metal... jk, Stupid to argue over tastes.

I think the Andre song is more R&B then Hiphop or rap.
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Originally posted by Rogue588
Actually, for me - Hip Hop is everything BEFORE P.Crappy..
So what's Black Star? What's Jurasssic Five? All these came out after Diddy.
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You're right.

Perhaps I should ammend it since I forgot about those guys in addition to Mos Def, Common & the Roots...
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Old 09-10-03, 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by Michael Corvin
where as rap, r&b, etc. are forms of hip hop, which would be at the top.

make sense?
Please never mention R&B in the same breath as Hip Hop ever again. It's not one of the 4 elements of Hip Hop. Never has been, never will be.

Hip Hop = Rap, Turntablism, Breaking (aka breakdancing), and Graffiti.

End of discussion.
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Old 09-10-03, 10:53 PM
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Please never mention R&B in the same breath as Hip Hop ever again. It's not one of the 4 elements of Hip Hop. Never has been, never will be.

Hip Hop = Rap, Turntablism, Breaking (aka breakdancing), and Graffiti.

End of discussion.
I said I didn't know any thing of the genre, it was just my understanding of the term. You finished my analogy for methough. R&B is stricken from the record. And frankly I didn't think it belonged, just for the fact that a few R&B artists actually have talent.
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just for the fact that a few R&B artists actually have talent.
Haha. Good one.
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