I hate "nu-metal"!! [pointless rant]
 

So I'm out with friends last night and one of my buddies brings along a girl that he was going to set me up with. So I get to talking, shes totally cute and very cool btw. Now we're talking about music:

me: So what music you listen to?
her: Oh I love metal
me: no way! I'm so into metal. (I'm totally surprised because well metal girls are a dieing breed)
her: cool what bands?
me: well I like Soilwork, God Forbid, Dissection, Opeth, Ulver etc.
her: :hscratch:
me: How about you?
her: Well I like Korn and Linkin Park mostly, and some disturbed
me: oh I see (when I really meant AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!)

Anyway the point to this pointless thread is that I hate bands like Linkin Park, Korn, Disturbed, that have been dubbed "metal" or "nu-metal", if gives us REAL metal fans bad names. I'm not saying these bands are bad or anything, hell I've been know to listen to a few songs by them once in awhile. I'm just saying they aren't "metal".

I honestly would rather see the mainstream music world filled with Britneys, Backstreet Boys, Eminems and Blink 182's (all of which are a-okay in my book) then "nu-metal"

Oh yeah and I'm seeing this girl tonight, alone. ;)

Just call me "oldschool"....
 

.... the <i>iron</i>y here is that I would define around half of my CD collection as falling within the hard/heavy rock/metal musical genre and yet.... I possess nothing by the bands you mention and, indeed, have never heard of any of them.

It begs a philosophical question that I think is to complicated for me to frame. So I won't ;)

Benedict, what are some of those bands that fall into the metal genre?

Is it bands like Iron Maiden, Pantera, Metallica?

I had a similar conversation with my ex. She asked me who my favorite artist was and I said Tool. She proceedes to say "they suck, if you want real metal listen to Limp Bizkit, they make you want to go crazy" I said to her "since when is Tool considered metal?" Her: "Learn something about music then come back and talk to me." I really had to bite my tounge from calling her the biggest MTV sheep idiot that ever existed. Though looking back now I wish I would have, stupid bitch.

Did someone mention limp biscuit?

Goat, since I haven't even heard of any of the bands you mentioned, could you explain what they are like, and how they are so different from popular groups like disturbed? Is it merely the fact that these bands are popular that makes you hate them? What makes you a "REAL" metal fan? The fact that you like obscure, non-mainstream bands? What about bands like System of a Down, Nonpoint, or Tool? Are these "nu-metal"?

EDIT and BTW, anyone who says Limp Bizkit is metal (with the exception of their first album) needs to have their head examined.

Tool is not metal...period, especially "nu metal", they have been around since 1991.

I equate nu-metal with the new rock bands that MTV plays continuesly. Acts like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Puddle of Mud, P.O.D., Hoobastank, etc. Bands that sound way to processed and teen friendly put together by some record label.

I don't even like Tool, but they sure beat the crap out of those little limp biscuit bastards.

Just out of curiousity, where would you place System of a Down?

I dont know. I've known them from back when they played the local club scene in Hollywood. I like their music, but I think they get associated with these other new acts because MTV & radio over plays them. They definetly did not have that "teen crowd" feel to them back in the day when I first saw them.

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Put me in the list with the other people here who have never heard of any of these groups. By their names, I'd guess they are all death metal, or speed metal, which I hold in about the same regard as you do nu-metal. (I pretty much hate nu-metal, too.)

I'm starting to soften a little about these nu-metal bands. I'm not saying that they're all good, but some seem to be getting a little better. I actually like the new Disturbed album and have played it a few times. I'll even admit to liking one Linkin Park song. But I don't forsee myself owning a Limp Bizkit album anytime soon. When it comes to metal, my preferences run toward Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Slayer, Witchery, old Metallica, King Diamond, old thrash, etc... If I'm in the mood, I listen to black metal as well: Opeth, Cradle of Filth, Darkthrone, etc...

The Mad Monk and Caiman

Yeah those bands I've mentioned are pretty obscue with the exception of Opeth which I thought a lot of people knew about. The only way to explain it is that compared to Disturbed and Korn, those bands are just better (IMO of course, I'm not hating if you're a nu-metal fan). Its heavier, harder and more melodic (especially Soilwork and Opeth) and most of all more fun. The best way to explain it is to give you a few choice songs to listen to. Most will hear a differance, but I can't promise that you'll like it.

Heres a few: I'll even throw in a more specific genre:

Soilwork- The Bringer (melodic metal)
Dissection- Where Dead Angels Lie (melodic death metal)
Opeth- Blackwater Park (melodic/AWESOME metal ;))
Cryptopsy- Phobophile (death metal)
Ulver- Wolf and Fear (black metal)
From Autumn To Ashes- Short Stories With A Tragic Ending (emocore)

And the fact that bands like Korn and Linkin Park are popular have nothing to do with it. Yes it is annoying that I you hear the same thing all the time on the radio but it doesn't bother me if its mainstream. I just like this other stuff better, a lot better. And metal is a genre thats been defined by like Metallica and Iron Maiden, and black metal bands such as Emperor and Mayhem. And death metal such as Obituary and Slayer. And when they put Disturbed in the same class as one of those its rather annoying. If you're a fan of other types of music such as punk, I wouldn't be surprised if you felt the same way about Blink 182 as I do about those nu-metal bands I listed.

System of a Down and Tool both belong in their own category. I think a lot of times they are thrown in the nu-metal mix, but for the most part they're better for various reasons. They aren't metal, but they aren't nu-metal either.

MJKTool, You're ex has problems ;)

I've had the same experiences several times as well. While there is an ever shrinking fine line between metal & nu-metal music- as the later pushes the boundaries of "heaviness" accepted by the mainstream audience all the time. I remind myself "to each his own" but I do believe there is a real difference between "metal" & "nu-metal". In a nutshell, metal being heavier music for purely artistic reasons and total disregard to radio, MTV or any current musical fads. Nu-metal being more of a musical trend where the bands in question carefully construct radio-friendly songs (limp, puddle, lincoln,disturbed, staind etc) laced with distorted guitars and angst ridden singing, heavier enough to be "rebellious" for todays suburban youth, but catchy enough for MTV & radio to bastardize. Take Metallica for example, one of the biggest bands in the world. They used to be considered the metal band. They already had several highly successful albums (Ride the lightening, Master of Puppets, etc) which are considered metal classics, and they could sell out arenas around the world all before the mainstream audience ever knew they existed. The music was very fast, very heavy, and up until then, unlike anything heard on the radio or TV. Then the day came when they changed their sound in hopes to appeal to a greater audience, they lightened their sound, slowed down the tempo, molded their songs to fit the radio formula, the first results being the "black" album-and the rest was multi-platinum history. I think most people would agree that while they may not be nu-metal considering they've been around since the early 80's, but from the black album forward Metallica no longer make "metal" music. This may be a bad analogy, and more of an example of "selling out", but I'm too tired to re-write this..... :)

All in all I think music associated with the term "metal" has more integrity, where as "nu-metal" is more of a success driven genre.

Yes I know! -wink- :lol:

I get what your saying about the phrase "metal" being tarnished by acts today that are not metal but rather pop rock, which those other bands you mentioned worked so hard for.

<small></small>I only own an album apiece by Metallica and Pantera and, if memory serves, I bought those primarily to listen to their Sabbath cover(s) ;)

My oldschool tastes run to Sabbath, Purple, Rainbow, some Priest, some Maiden, some Scorpions and other artistes I might list on another occasion! Whether these and others fall precisely within or without the metal camp is a matter for debate, I know.

I am no great fan of speed/thrash type metal or cookie-monster vocals. I suppose the closest I got to "modern" "metal" is the second (excellent) solo album of Sabbath bassist, Geezer Butler entitled Black Science.

Since we're throwing everything into a genre, lets call it classic metal? ;)

And in my metal universe, Sabbath and Judas Priest have a big spot. :)

You are a lot like me. Sometimes I'll put on some nu-metal, and I don't mind if I'm listening to it in the car. And your choices are excellent. I listen to more death/black/progressive metal over the older stuff like Sabbath and Maiden.

:D Where, oh <i>where</i> is <b>B5Erik</b>????

If you ever talk to her again, call her a stupid bitch for me as well.

:lol:

Nothing is hotter than a chick who listens to a little Pantera, VOD, Earth Crisis, or Slayer.

Hey no problem!! I'd be glad to :lol:

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I've also never heard of any of the above bands(Will give them a try though).

Do any of them fall in the same category as:

Nightwish
Sonata Artica
Inkubus Sukkubus
Avantasia
Blackmores Night
Darkwell
Trail of Tears
Within Temptation

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I think I've heard of a few of these bands, but never heard anything from them. I do know Sonata Artica. I've only heard one of their songs and I really liked it. They are metal (power metal to be exact), and from that one song that I've heard, they really don't sound much like the bands I've listed.

woofman you summed up Metallica then & no perfectly:)


In fact while i liked the Black album as a kid(was only 11 when released).I've gotten sick of it over the years.Thats all you ever really hear from them on the radio besides the newer stuff that i just lost interest in them.


So i will never buy the Black album since you can hear the whole thing on the radio anyway that it's pointless. + the later albums besides Garage Days Inc. revisited..i will skip.


the early stuff kicks major ass though.When the rock stations play stuff from Kill Em All every rare while.I'm just blown away at how awsome & truely roaring it sounds in a thunderous,fun,fast groove.

I will definately be picking up there earlier releases sometime:)



I'm sort of a Slayer fan.Not into death/extreme metal that much. Yet do like some of Slayer's stuff..in fact i would say they are the only death metal band i like when compared to other crappier groups like Cannibal Corpse & other wannabe can't play worth a dime crap.





As for the 'nu-metal'...i can't stand it. It's for many reasons..not because it's popular.I find it funny when some people hate a group just because they are popular. I hate a group if i hate there music & just can't stand them regardless if they are mainstream or not:)

A friend of mine used to love Korn.Yet everytime a songs on the radio or they are brought up.She bitches "They suck now because they are popular..so i don't listen to them anymore!"

Well i'm not a Korn fan though have liked a couple of there songs,but not much.They sound pretty much the same to me,lol..so i don't buy the 'popular' answer for hating them,thats just a copout.

I guess she's just trying to be so cool & rebellious by not being a sao called 'trendy'or 'preppie',lol..which i find just plain retarded.


Yesturday while at the mall looking at clothes.Saw some really nice stylish sexy outfits. She was like "Wow those are hot..you'd look awsome in them..but they are to trendy for me!"...so i tell her "Who gives a **** if they're 'trendy' or not,why worry about everyone else.Just wear what you like regardless of what so call mindset says whats 'in or out'..it's up for you to decide,not them!"...& of course that got her stumped since she spends so much time trying to be 'different'..when she's coming off as more of a poser to me:)


Of course i will wear whatever i want,as long as i find it attractive,sexy,hot,comfortable..& nice to look at.It's not about trying to fit in,it's about wearing what i like & am attracted to.Very simple.

Same thing goes with music..i listen to all kinds regardless if it's 'in or out'.It all matters if i like it or not.

Just yesturday i picked up Violent Femmes Viva Wisconsin...as well as The Shangri-Las debut album.To very different but awsome kinds of music i like.

Then before that i bought some ABBA,The Bangles,AC/DC,The Doors..& tons of awsome but different types of music i'm into.

I'm sure a wannabe poser would freak out by seeing my very diverse cd collection.Yet am i being diverse for diverse sake? No just buying what i like..& will listen to years from now..rather than wasting $$ on one hit blunder's who will disapear soon enough hopefully.

Or maybe the poser would be jealous i listen to what i want..rather just following whatevers in at the moment & they would love to say '**** everyone else' & finnaly think for themselves & choose what they like & don't like regardless of what others think.Yet may be to afraid to at the moment since they spent so much time trying to be something they are not.


Anyway as for music.What i really hate are the talentless bands being tossed out there now copying whatever bands 'hip' at the moment.You have crap like New Found Glory,Mudvayne,Slipnot,Our Lady Peace(or whatever they're called)...to many Creed & Blick 182 ripoff's as well.It just becomes irritating since they all sound like crap & are obviously copying a current band.

99.9% of the crap new bands on the radio & MTV won't exist within a year or so.They were not made to last...just jump on the bandwagon for whatevers in at the moment..& worst of all have no passion for the music,which shows as they are sloppy & just boring as hell no matter how hard they try to 'appear' metal or rock or whatever.




If your going to be in a band.Play what you like,love what you play! Don't let a record company ditact your sound,songs,looks or anything. If you want to try various forms of music,go for it...but don't do it because a certain sound is in at the moment.


If i ever started a band.While it would be mainly hard rock...i would have fun with other forms of music i like based on all the bands i listen to:)

So sometimes i'd want to rock out,other times try something mellow,maybe some pop music just for kicks,oldies to loosen up..& most important just have fun with it.Rather than letting someone else say "No this is in..& you have to sound like this!"..i would say "**** that..i'm in the mood for this or that right now!"


It would be sure to drive some more hardcore music fans nuts who think if your a fan of a certain type of music,thats all you should like. Which i find very boring honestly..& why i'm open to various forms of music as long as i like it & it's something to enjoy playing/listening to:)

The only thing worse than "nu-metal" is old metal. Thank you very much.

Death to false metal!

\m/ \m/

Damn. I'm old and out of it. I always thought Ratt was Heavy Metal.

Can't get into "nu-metal" at all. I've heard most of the bands and it's not something I want to listen to.

Give me classic Iron Maiden anyday!

Mark

By 80's standard. Yes.

Now, it's probably country. :D

-picturing Shania Twain singing Round and Round-

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Hmmm. Isn't that Ritchie Blackmore & friends playing medieval music? Interesting stuff, but hardly what one would call <i>metallic</i> (IMNSHO)!Paul Di'Anno was quite the frontman. Those two albums together made a superb debut.:crap: :lol: Tsk!

The problem I have with 'nu-metal' is that so much of it seems to downplay musicianship. I hear little to no guitar solos or quality vocals.

I remember being a young teenager and worshipping guitar players like Ritchie Blackmore. My parents paid for music lessons for me - but on one condition. I had to go to an established music center. No rock guitar lessons from the guy down the street.

So I took lessons at Johnny Smith music (Johnny was the guitarist for Bing Crosby). All the players at Johnny's place were excellent jazz and session players. Even these guitar players (who generally hated rock in general) were impressed with the musicianship of Ritchie Blackmore, Randy Rhoads, etc. Or the vocals of Ronnie James Dio.

But today these new bands don't seem to strive for excellence in thier music.

Just my 2 cents

Mark

to me Metal is Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Dio, Motörhead, WASP.....stuff like that man, today's metal bands suck pretty much about 90 % of them, whether Nu Metal or not.........only bands worth listening to that are relatively new in metal are like Black Label Society, Brand New Sin, and maybe Arch Enemy.

I'm not into the artsy fartsy type of metal personally, but to each his own, and Korn......yes they do suck.

That's actually the same reason I don't listen to the "MTV Metal"
I grew up listening to metal with real musicians and content.
Metal is more than just distortion and power chords.

And what's the deal with metal bands making concept albums based on Shakespeare plays? What's that all about? ;)

And you actually started to have me convinced up to this point. Then you say that SlipKnot and Mudvayne are just ripoffs of 'hip' bands. I've only heard one Slipknot song on the radio and 2 Mudvayne songs (and they're played about once every 6 months) none of which are even remotely like any other 'hip' band out there. I thought it was nice to actually hear something refreshing than all the other crap they play on the radio. And they're both a far, far cry from that crappy Creed pop rock band :yack: Other than that, I would mostly agree :D

"I hear little to no guitar solos"......... and that's exactly the reason if I had to listen to metal it would be something closer to Helmet or Chevelle because there aren't any solos.

I would put Mudvayne & Slipnot in the bad metal wannabe's section which is why they were included in that list of mine:)


I've tryed listening to them & just found them extremely annoying.

Yes, annoying to you, but not nu-metal. I'm sure a few of the other metal bands mentioned are annoying to me, but that doesn't mean that they fall under the wannabe nu metal umbrella. Not all new metal bands can be considered "nu-metal".

well now, the slipknot singer has started "stone sour" (well actually stone sour started in 92) and their hit "bother" sounds nothing like anything else on the radio.