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RIAA demands name of alleged peer-to-peer pirate
http://msnbc-zdnet.com.com/2100-1105...&subj=cnetnews
RIAA asks court to expose pirate
By Declan McCullagh
Special to ZDNet News
August 21, 2002, 6:54 AM PT
ASPEN, Colo.--In what may become a new legal front in its war against online copying, the Recording Industry Association of America has asked a federal court for help in tracing an alleged peer-to-peer pirate.
On Tuesday, the RIAA asked a federal judge in Washington, D.C., for an order compelling Verizon Communications to reveal the name of a customer accused of illegally trading hundreds of songs. Citing privacy concerns and potential legal liability, Verizon has refused to comply with a subpoena the RIAA sent last month.
"It's not that they don't want to turn over the name," said Mitch Glazier, an RIAA senior vice president. "It's that they don't want to be liable for turning over a subscriber's name."
Until now, the entertainment industry has relied on civil lawsuits aimed at corporations, not individuals, to limit widespread copyright infringement on peer-to-peer networks. Now, however, the RIAA is revising its strategy and appears ready to sue individuals swapping songs over the Internet.
At issue in the RIAA's request is an obscure part of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) that permits a copyright owner to send a subpoena ordering a "service provider" to turn over information about a subscriber. It is not necessary to file a lawsuit to take advantage of the DMCA's expedited subpoena process.
Verizon says it complies with requests regarding material that customers store on its servers. But because these allegedly illicit files reside on a peer-to-peer node, the company says, this is a novel situation, and a DMCA subpoena is not sufficient.
"Verizon looked carefully at the subpoena. This is different from anything they had sent us in the past," said Sarah Deutsch, a vice president at the telecommunications company.
"It created a very difficult policy issue for us," Deutsch said. "We understand that RIAA has a problem and needs this information. At the same time, we have an equally legitimate concern that they comply with the proper legal process."
RIAA's Glazier said, "We believe the (DMCA) subpoena process applies." The DMCA defines service provider to mean "a provider of online services or network access."
The RIAA has not yet decided how to proceed with civil suits against individuals. "It's definitely on the table," Glazier said.
Also on Tuesday, a Justice Department official said the government was prepared to begin prosecuting alleged peer-to-peer pirates. A few weeks ago, some of the most senior members of Congress pressured the Justice Department to invoke a little-known law, the No Electronic Theft Act, against peer-to-peer users who swap files without permission.
Now this is scary! Scary not just because of the implications to millions of people that do this, but scary that they are going after a guy or girl who has only traded 'hundreds' of songs.
Chris
RIAA asks court to expose pirate
By Declan McCullagh
Special to ZDNet News
August 21, 2002, 6:54 AM PT
ASPEN, Colo.--In what may become a new legal front in its war against online copying, the Recording Industry Association of America has asked a federal court for help in tracing an alleged peer-to-peer pirate.
On Tuesday, the RIAA asked a federal judge in Washington, D.C., for an order compelling Verizon Communications to reveal the name of a customer accused of illegally trading hundreds of songs. Citing privacy concerns and potential legal liability, Verizon has refused to comply with a subpoena the RIAA sent last month.
"It's not that they don't want to turn over the name," said Mitch Glazier, an RIAA senior vice president. "It's that they don't want to be liable for turning over a subscriber's name."
Until now, the entertainment industry has relied on civil lawsuits aimed at corporations, not individuals, to limit widespread copyright infringement on peer-to-peer networks. Now, however, the RIAA is revising its strategy and appears ready to sue individuals swapping songs over the Internet.
At issue in the RIAA's request is an obscure part of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) that permits a copyright owner to send a subpoena ordering a "service provider" to turn over information about a subscriber. It is not necessary to file a lawsuit to take advantage of the DMCA's expedited subpoena process.
Verizon says it complies with requests regarding material that customers store on its servers. But because these allegedly illicit files reside on a peer-to-peer node, the company says, this is a novel situation, and a DMCA subpoena is not sufficient.
"Verizon looked carefully at the subpoena. This is different from anything they had sent us in the past," said Sarah Deutsch, a vice president at the telecommunications company.
"It created a very difficult policy issue for us," Deutsch said. "We understand that RIAA has a problem and needs this information. At the same time, we have an equally legitimate concern that they comply with the proper legal process."
RIAA's Glazier said, "We believe the (DMCA) subpoena process applies." The DMCA defines service provider to mean "a provider of online services or network access."
The RIAA has not yet decided how to proceed with civil suits against individuals. "It's definitely on the table," Glazier said.
Also on Tuesday, a Justice Department official said the government was prepared to begin prosecuting alleged peer-to-peer pirates. A few weeks ago, some of the most senior members of Congress pressured the Justice Department to invoke a little-known law, the No Electronic Theft Act, against peer-to-peer users who swap files without permission.
Now this is scary! Scary not just because of the implications to millions of people that do this, but scary that they are going after a guy or girl who has only traded 'hundreds' of songs.
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First the RIAA, now the DOJ: Individuals targeted
Now the feds are coming after 'regular' folks...
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2121102,00.html
Not enough terrorism to combat anymore, I guess...
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2121102,00.html
Not enough terrorism to combat anymore, I guess...
US Justice Department ready to prosecute file-swappers
08:51 Wednesday 21st August 2002
Declan McCullagh, CNET News.com
American federal authorities are turning their attention from terrorists to users of peer-to-peer networks, who could be jailed for up to five years
The US Department of Justice is prepared to begin prosecuting peer-to-peer pirates, a top government official said on Tuesday.
John Malcolm, a deputy assistant attorney general, said Americans should realise that swapping illicit copies of music and movies is a criminal offense that can result in lengthy prison terms.
"A lot of people think these activities are legal, and they think they ought to be legal," Malcolm told an audience at the Progress and Freedom Foundation's annual technology and politics summit.
Malcolm said the Internet has become "the world's largest copy machine" and that criminal prosecutions of copyright offenders are now necessary to preserve the viability of America's content industries. "There does have to be some kind of a public message that stealing is stealing is stealing," said Malcolm, who oversees the arm of the Justice Department that prosecutes copyright and computer crime cases.
In an interview, Malcolm would not say when prosecutions would begin. The response to the 11 September terrorist attacks temporarily diverted the department's resources and prevented its attorneys from focusing on this earlier, he said.
A few weeks ago, some of the most senior members of Congress pressured the Justice Department to invoke a little-known law, the No Electronic Theft (NET) Act, against peer-to-peer users who swap files without permission.
Under the NET Act, signed by President Clinton in 1997, it is a federal crime to share copies of copyrighted products such as software, movies or music with anyone, even friends or family members, if the value of the work exceeds $1,000 (about £640). Violations are punishable by one year in prison, or if the value tops $2,500, "not more than five years" in prison.
Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), said his industry would "welcome" prosecutions that send a message to song-swappers.
"Some prosecutions that make that clear could be very helpful... I think they would think twice if they thought there was a risk of criminal prosecution," said Sherman, who was on the same conference panel.
Christopher Cookson, executive vice president of Warner Bros. and another panelist, said there was "a need for governments to step in and maintain order in society".
Swapping files in violation of the law has always been a civil offense, and the RIAA and the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) have the option of suing individual infringers and seeking damages.
But, Malcolm said, criminal prosecutions can be much more effective in intimidating file-swappers who have little assets at risk in a civil suit. "Civil remedies are not adequate... Law enforcement in that regard does have several advantages," Malcolm said. "We have the advantage, when appropriate, of opening up and conducting multi-jurisdictional and international investigations.
"Most parents would be horrified if they walked into a child's room and found 100 stolen CDs... However, these same parents think nothing of having their children spend time online downloading hundreds of songs without paying a dime."
Gary Shapiro, president of the Consumer Electronics Association, said he was sceptical about the view that peer-to-peer piracy should be a criminal offense. "If we have 70 million people in the United States who are breaking the law, we have a big issue."
The DOJ already has used the NET Act to imprison noncommercial software pirates, which software lobbyists hailed as "an important component of the overall effort to prevent software theft".
During his confirmation hearing in June 2001, attorney general John Ashcroft told Congress that "given the fact that much of America's strength in the world economy is a result of our being the developer and promoter of most of the valuable software, we cannot allow the assets that are held electronically to be pirated or infringed. And so we will make a priority of cybercrime issues".
The letter from Congress complains of "a staggering increase in the amount of intellectual property pirated over the Internet through peer-to-peer systems". Signed by 19 members of Congress, including Senator Joseph Biden, a Delaware Democrat, Representative James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican, and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat, the letter urged Ashcroft "to prosecute individuals who intentionally allow mass copying from their computer over peer-to-peer networks".
08:51 Wednesday 21st August 2002
Declan McCullagh, CNET News.com
American federal authorities are turning their attention from terrorists to users of peer-to-peer networks, who could be jailed for up to five years
The US Department of Justice is prepared to begin prosecuting peer-to-peer pirates, a top government official said on Tuesday.
John Malcolm, a deputy assistant attorney general, said Americans should realise that swapping illicit copies of music and movies is a criminal offense that can result in lengthy prison terms.
"A lot of people think these activities are legal, and they think they ought to be legal," Malcolm told an audience at the Progress and Freedom Foundation's annual technology and politics summit.
Malcolm said the Internet has become "the world's largest copy machine" and that criminal prosecutions of copyright offenders are now necessary to preserve the viability of America's content industries. "There does have to be some kind of a public message that stealing is stealing is stealing," said Malcolm, who oversees the arm of the Justice Department that prosecutes copyright and computer crime cases.
In an interview, Malcolm would not say when prosecutions would begin. The response to the 11 September terrorist attacks temporarily diverted the department's resources and prevented its attorneys from focusing on this earlier, he said.
A few weeks ago, some of the most senior members of Congress pressured the Justice Department to invoke a little-known law, the No Electronic Theft (NET) Act, against peer-to-peer users who swap files without permission.
Under the NET Act, signed by President Clinton in 1997, it is a federal crime to share copies of copyrighted products such as software, movies or music with anyone, even friends or family members, if the value of the work exceeds $1,000 (about £640). Violations are punishable by one year in prison, or if the value tops $2,500, "not more than five years" in prison.
Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), said his industry would "welcome" prosecutions that send a message to song-swappers.
"Some prosecutions that make that clear could be very helpful... I think they would think twice if they thought there was a risk of criminal prosecution," said Sherman, who was on the same conference panel.
Christopher Cookson, executive vice president of Warner Bros. and another panelist, said there was "a need for governments to step in and maintain order in society".
Swapping files in violation of the law has always been a civil offense, and the RIAA and the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) have the option of suing individual infringers and seeking damages.
But, Malcolm said, criminal prosecutions can be much more effective in intimidating file-swappers who have little assets at risk in a civil suit. "Civil remedies are not adequate... Law enforcement in that regard does have several advantages," Malcolm said. "We have the advantage, when appropriate, of opening up and conducting multi-jurisdictional and international investigations.
"Most parents would be horrified if they walked into a child's room and found 100 stolen CDs... However, these same parents think nothing of having their children spend time online downloading hundreds of songs without paying a dime."
Gary Shapiro, president of the Consumer Electronics Association, said he was sceptical about the view that peer-to-peer piracy should be a criminal offense. "If we have 70 million people in the United States who are breaking the law, we have a big issue."
The DOJ already has used the NET Act to imprison noncommercial software pirates, which software lobbyists hailed as "an important component of the overall effort to prevent software theft".
During his confirmation hearing in June 2001, attorney general John Ashcroft told Congress that "given the fact that much of America's strength in the world economy is a result of our being the developer and promoter of most of the valuable software, we cannot allow the assets that are held electronically to be pirated or infringed. And so we will make a priority of cybercrime issues".
The letter from Congress complains of "a staggering increase in the amount of intellectual property pirated over the Internet through peer-to-peer systems". Signed by 19 members of Congress, including Senator Joseph Biden, a Delaware Democrat, Representative James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican, and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat, the letter urged Ashcroft "to prosecute individuals who intentionally allow mass copying from their computer over peer-to-peer networks".
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First, Real Player sucks. If you burn CDs use a dedicated burning program such as Nero or Easy CD Creator.
Second, they won't arrest 16 million people. It's mainly a scare tactic. They know just as welll as anyone that theyc an't possibly enforce this law as half of America is violating it. They will arrest a few people to make "examples" of them, but these people are always prolific pirates who do nothing BUT pirate software and have gigabytes upon gigabytes of pirated software, music, and videos. They should be arrested just to force them to get a life! haha
Second, they won't arrest 16 million people. It's mainly a scare tactic. They know just as welll as anyone that theyc an't possibly enforce this law as half of America is violating it. They will arrest a few people to make "examples" of them, but these people are always prolific pirates who do nothing BUT pirate software and have gigabytes upon gigabytes of pirated software, music, and videos. They should be arrested just to force them to get a life! haha
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actually i use real one player, is it the same thing. plus does it suck because it skips everyonce in a while on certin tracks for no apperent reason or is it my cd player
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Traded 'hundreds' of songs. That doesn't sound like much; especially considering that the P2P services have been around for a couple of years now.
Traded 'hundreds' of songs. That doesn't sound like much; especially considering that the P2P services have been around for a couple of years now.
They want to scare everyone.
They want the average person to see this and think to themselves "I've traded more songs than that!"
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Hackers deface RIAA website.
http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid...s_and_crackers
RIAA Web Site Defaced, Taken Offline
Thu Aug 29, 1:31 PM ET
Jay Lyman, www.NewsFactor.com
After drawing the ire of the online file-swapping community and Internet users at large, the Recording Industry Association of America ( news - web sites) (RIAA) Web site was defaced and taken offline Wednesday.
The defacement, described as "the funniest hack ever" on a forum site, resembled the normal RIAA site but featured such links as "Piracy can be beneficial to the music industry" and "Where can I find information on giant monkeys?"
Fix in the Works
While the RIAA would not acknowledge that its site had been hacked or defaced, the group, which has tried to prevent Napster ( news - web sites)-like online file sharing, admitted that its site was offline.
"There's a problem with our site that we're fixing," an RIAA spokesperson told NewsFactor. "It should be back up shortly."
The spokesperson would not comment on whether the association is a favorite target of hackers or is disliked by an array of Internet users.
Defacement Cheered
However, distaste for the RIAA and its legal offensive on Internet music file-sharing services was apparent in posts to forum site Fark.com, which generally cheered the defacement and jeered at the recording industry.
Among posts at the online forum were: "Yeah! Stick it to the man!" and "That hack is like six levels deep. Someone put their time into this. Sweet."
"There is a growing sentiment of ill will toward the RIAA, the Motion Picture Association of America and content owners in general," Yankee Group senior analyst Mike Goodman told NewsFactor.
Goodman said that despite the RIAA's legal contentions that free online music trading violates copyright law and constitutes piracy, the majority of consumers resent content owners' efforts to clamp down on file sharing.
"It's a bit more of a radical reaction," Goodman said of the defacement. "But it underlies a much more mainstream feeling that we're going to share our music online and you guys are infringing on that." Goodman pointed out that the general feeling among consumers is that file sharing is an inalienable right.
Industry Cries Foul
While studies, including a recent Yankee Group report, have indicated that free online music trading will flourish until legitimate, licensed sites offer the content, ownership and portability that consumers want, the RIAA continues to blame free online music trading for declining CD sales.
Music CD sales declined 7 percent in the first half of this year, costing the industry more than US$280 million, the RIAA said this week.
In addition, an RIAA-commissioned study indicated that increased music downloading from the Internet corresponds to reduced CD purchases. The RIAA, which has leveraged copyright law against peer-to-peer site Napster, among others, has warned that it might pursue individual users of free online file trading services.
Technology Revolution
Goodman said the RIAA must take the defacement seriously but can do little about it other than increase the site's security. He alluded to the explosion of free online music trading by saying, "Technology is causing a revolution in the way consumers consume content."
He pointed out that content owners are trying to impede this revolution, but "it's not a particularly consumer-friendly approach."
RIAA Web Site Defaced, Taken Offline
Thu Aug 29, 1:31 PM ET
Jay Lyman, www.NewsFactor.com
After drawing the ire of the online file-swapping community and Internet users at large, the Recording Industry Association of America ( news - web sites) (RIAA) Web site was defaced and taken offline Wednesday.
The defacement, described as "the funniest hack ever" on a forum site, resembled the normal RIAA site but featured such links as "Piracy can be beneficial to the music industry" and "Where can I find information on giant monkeys?"
Fix in the Works
While the RIAA would not acknowledge that its site had been hacked or defaced, the group, which has tried to prevent Napster ( news - web sites)-like online file sharing, admitted that its site was offline.
"There's a problem with our site that we're fixing," an RIAA spokesperson told NewsFactor. "It should be back up shortly."
The spokesperson would not comment on whether the association is a favorite target of hackers or is disliked by an array of Internet users.
Defacement Cheered
However, distaste for the RIAA and its legal offensive on Internet music file-sharing services was apparent in posts to forum site Fark.com, which generally cheered the defacement and jeered at the recording industry.
Among posts at the online forum were: "Yeah! Stick it to the man!" and "That hack is like six levels deep. Someone put their time into this. Sweet."
"There is a growing sentiment of ill will toward the RIAA, the Motion Picture Association of America and content owners in general," Yankee Group senior analyst Mike Goodman told NewsFactor.
Goodman said that despite the RIAA's legal contentions that free online music trading violates copyright law and constitutes piracy, the majority of consumers resent content owners' efforts to clamp down on file sharing.
"It's a bit more of a radical reaction," Goodman said of the defacement. "But it underlies a much more mainstream feeling that we're going to share our music online and you guys are infringing on that." Goodman pointed out that the general feeling among consumers is that file sharing is an inalienable right.
Industry Cries Foul
While studies, including a recent Yankee Group report, have indicated that free online music trading will flourish until legitimate, licensed sites offer the content, ownership and portability that consumers want, the RIAA continues to blame free online music trading for declining CD sales.
Music CD sales declined 7 percent in the first half of this year, costing the industry more than US$280 million, the RIAA said this week.
In addition, an RIAA-commissioned study indicated that increased music downloading from the Internet corresponds to reduced CD purchases. The RIAA, which has leveraged copyright law against peer-to-peer site Napster, among others, has warned that it might pursue individual users of free online file trading services.
Technology Revolution
Goodman said the RIAA must take the defacement seriously but can do little about it other than increase the site's security. He alluded to the explosion of free online music trading by saying, "Technology is causing a revolution in the way consumers consume content."
He pointed out that content owners are trying to impede this revolution, but "it's not a particularly consumer-friendly approach."
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Yet again. RIAA will have to deal with this on a daily basis unless they realize that they should adapt to a new medium. there is plenty of cash to be made for them if they just looked into this technology instead of cowardly saying it is all bad.
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I haven't bought a new CD in at least a year or two, and I don't plan on buying any save for the Buffy musical soundtrack next month. I was never able to "find" a good quality one before. Other than that, used is the gameplan.
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Artists & RIAA vs Consumers/"Pirates"
Perhaps they could either :
• release quality product that would make a consumer want to own the disc & support the artist by buying it
• or lower CD prices?
• release quality product that would make a consumer want to own the disc & support the artist by buying it
• or lower CD prices?
Stars Come Out Against Net Music Piracy in New Ads
By Frank Ahrens
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 26, 2002; Page A22
The music industry is launching a star-studded advertising campaign, using artists such as Britney Spears and Stevie Wonder to tout its most recent anti-piracy effort.
Full-page ads are scheduled to appear in newspapers today and will be followed by television and radio spots, urging consumers to stop downloading songs from illegal file-sharing sites on the Internet. The multimillion-dollar campaign coincides with hearings today before the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee on courts, the Internet and intellectual property.
At issue in the House is a bill introduced in July by Rep. Howard L. Berman (D-Calif.). If it passes, it would protect copyright holders -- such as artists and record labels -- from liability for any damage they may cause while using software to disrupt file-sharing services and search public files on consumers' computers for illegal reproductions of copyrighted music.
The movie industry uses a similar technology, called Ranger, that travels through the Internet, looking for illegally downloaded movies on home computers.
The ad campaign is sponsored by several organizations, including the Recording Industry Association of America, the music industry lobby; copyright groups, such as the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers and Broadcast Music Inc.; and the American Federation of Television & Radio Artists union. The major record labels are footing the campaign's bill.
The music industry attributes a decline in CD sales -- a 5 percent drop in 2001 from 2000 and a 7 percent drop in the first half of this year -- to music pirated over the Internet via popular file-sharing services.
At its height in February 2001, the Napster file-sharing service had 13.6 million U.S. users. Napster eventually shut down in the face of legal action. Now Kazaa Media Desktop is the most popular file-sharing service, with 8.3 million U.S. users in June, according to ComScore Media Metrix, which tracks Internet use.
Nearly 90 singers and songwriters have signed the newspaper ad, and several have lent quotes to the campaign. The group is diverse, including opera tenor Luciano Pavarotti, hip-hop superstar Eminem, country music's Dixie Chicks and former Beach Boy Brian Wilson.
Pop diva Spears, who will appear in the television ads, offers: "Would you go into a CD store and steal a CD? It's the same thing, people going into the computers and logging on and stealing our music."
Hilary B. Rosen, chief executive of the RIAA, said that illegal song downloading is not only against the law, "it also hurts the very artists and songwriters most downloaders profess to love."
Moving the artists out in front of the music industry's fight against piracy is a new strategy. The sentiment among many who illegally download songs is that their actions amount to justifiable theft -- that they are taking from a corporate monolith that is overcharging for CDs and fails to provide songs on an à la carte basis, which consumers increasingly desire.
The RIAA hopes this campaign will avoid the fan backlash that was inflicted on the heavy-metal group Metallica, which was the first major name to come out against Napster and online piracy. The band members were depicted as corporate stooges and anti-fan.
Somewhere in the middle of the debate are groups that do not necessarily encourage music piracy but do believe efforts to thwart it may be a smoke screen thrown up by a record industry that's been slow to come up with viable, legal alternatives to online piracy.
"I'm excited to see musicians take a more active role regarding piracy, accounting practices, radio consolidation, contract reform and other structures that impact their livelihood," said Jennifer Toomey, executive director of Washington's Future of Music Coalition and a singer-songwriter. "We hope that piracy [will] not be used as a code word to cover up the recording industry's slow adoption and licensing of new technologies -- technologies that may create a more efficient and equitable industry for musicians and citizens."
By Frank Ahrens
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 26, 2002; Page A22
The music industry is launching a star-studded advertising campaign, using artists such as Britney Spears and Stevie Wonder to tout its most recent anti-piracy effort.
Full-page ads are scheduled to appear in newspapers today and will be followed by television and radio spots, urging consumers to stop downloading songs from illegal file-sharing sites on the Internet. The multimillion-dollar campaign coincides with hearings today before the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee on courts, the Internet and intellectual property.
At issue in the House is a bill introduced in July by Rep. Howard L. Berman (D-Calif.). If it passes, it would protect copyright holders -- such as artists and record labels -- from liability for any damage they may cause while using software to disrupt file-sharing services and search public files on consumers' computers for illegal reproductions of copyrighted music.
The movie industry uses a similar technology, called Ranger, that travels through the Internet, looking for illegally downloaded movies on home computers.
The ad campaign is sponsored by several organizations, including the Recording Industry Association of America, the music industry lobby; copyright groups, such as the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers and Broadcast Music Inc.; and the American Federation of Television & Radio Artists union. The major record labels are footing the campaign's bill.
The music industry attributes a decline in CD sales -- a 5 percent drop in 2001 from 2000 and a 7 percent drop in the first half of this year -- to music pirated over the Internet via popular file-sharing services.
At its height in February 2001, the Napster file-sharing service had 13.6 million U.S. users. Napster eventually shut down in the face of legal action. Now Kazaa Media Desktop is the most popular file-sharing service, with 8.3 million U.S. users in June, according to ComScore Media Metrix, which tracks Internet use.
Nearly 90 singers and songwriters have signed the newspaper ad, and several have lent quotes to the campaign. The group is diverse, including opera tenor Luciano Pavarotti, hip-hop superstar Eminem, country music's Dixie Chicks and former Beach Boy Brian Wilson.
Pop diva Spears, who will appear in the television ads, offers: "Would you go into a CD store and steal a CD? It's the same thing, people going into the computers and logging on and stealing our music."
Hilary B. Rosen, chief executive of the RIAA, said that illegal song downloading is not only against the law, "it also hurts the very artists and songwriters most downloaders profess to love."
Moving the artists out in front of the music industry's fight against piracy is a new strategy. The sentiment among many who illegally download songs is that their actions amount to justifiable theft -- that they are taking from a corporate monolith that is overcharging for CDs and fails to provide songs on an à la carte basis, which consumers increasingly desire.
The RIAA hopes this campaign will avoid the fan backlash that was inflicted on the heavy-metal group Metallica, which was the first major name to come out against Napster and online piracy. The band members were depicted as corporate stooges and anti-fan.
Somewhere in the middle of the debate are groups that do not necessarily encourage music piracy but do believe efforts to thwart it may be a smoke screen thrown up by a record industry that's been slow to come up with viable, legal alternatives to online piracy.
"I'm excited to see musicians take a more active role regarding piracy, accounting practices, radio consolidation, contract reform and other structures that impact their livelihood," said Jennifer Toomey, executive director of Washington's Future of Music Coalition and a singer-songwriter. "We hope that piracy [will] not be used as a code word to cover up the recording industry's slow adoption and licensing of new technologies -- technologies that may create a more efficient and equitable industry for musicians and citizens."
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I think their are a lot of artists who do put out good music. But so many people want to rag on the "Britney Spears of the world" just because they don't like the fact that that kind of music gets the most radio and video airplay.
As for prices, if you catch on to an artist early (at new release day) or during specials you can pay a damn good price. Unless you shop at Warehouse music, where it seems evey cd is over priced. But that's just my opinion.
As for downloads: I've given up on it. Y'see, I have dial-up. So when I tried to dl music I had to wait until after 11pm and even then it took up to an hour to get one song. Assuming of course that the person on the other end didn't kick me off before I was done. Since I can't afford DSL or Cable just yet, I still buy my music. I support a right for people to dl the music, but I can understand where these artist are coming from.
Eventually, all music downloads will be subscription based.
As for prices, if you catch on to an artist early (at new release day) or during specials you can pay a damn good price. Unless you shop at Warehouse music, where it seems evey cd is over priced. But that's just my opinion.
As for downloads: I've given up on it. Y'see, I have dial-up. So when I tried to dl music I had to wait until after 11pm and even then it took up to an hour to get one song. Assuming of course that the person on the other end didn't kick me off before I was done. Since I can't afford DSL or Cable just yet, I still buy my music. I support a right for people to dl the music, but I can understand where these artist are coming from.
Eventually, all music downloads will be subscription based.
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I don't think that fronting artists in this campaign is a bad idea, but, come on, Britney Spears?! She's already a f**king millionaire, and she's the last person I'd feel bad about stealing music from.
Seriously, Britney. I'm going to pay $20 for your crappy cd so you can sport your $2,000 Dolce and Gabbanna BLUE JEANS while I wear my Old Navy $20 blue jeans.
What are they thinking? As a consumer, I'd be much more hostile to an already successful musician than I would be to a band just getting their start and struggling. Also, a band that shows they have actually worked to get where they are (or have talent), like Nickel Creek or someone similar.
Seriously, Britney. I'm going to pay $20 for your crappy cd so you can sport your $2,000 Dolce and Gabbanna BLUE JEANS while I wear my Old Navy $20 blue jeans.

What are they thinking? As a consumer, I'd be much more hostile to an already successful musician than I would be to a band just getting their start and struggling. Also, a band that shows they have actually worked to get where they are (or have talent), like Nickel Creek or someone similar.
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Originally posted by Penny Lane
Seriously, Britney. I'm going to pay $20 for your crappy cd so you can sport your $2,000 Dolce and Gabbanna BLUE JEANS while I wear my Old Navy $20 blue jeans.
Seriously, Britney. I'm going to pay $20 for your crappy cd so you can sport your $2,000 Dolce and Gabbanna BLUE JEANS while I wear my Old Navy $20 blue jeans.

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I do feel bad for the artists so I do buy all the cds I plan on listening to. Yes, I do download a lot of mp3's but if I like it, I'll go out and buy the cd. If I don't like it, I erase it immediately. I don't believe in ripping off the artist. The bad part is, it's not us who is ripping off the artists, it's these damn record companies. Only a hand full of artists like Britney make millions. Do you realize how many artists have had number one singles and are still struggling. Think about, the band after all said is done, makes about a $1 a cd. Lets say they sell 500,000 copies. The band make a half a million dollars, then they split that among 4 band members and they each end up with a $125,000. They put out an album maybe once every year or two so thats not much more money then some of these computer programmers make in a year. I do agree that cds should be lower in price, especially since they don't cost as much to produce anymore. The only thing is, if they did lower prices, who do you think will get screwed. The record companies aren't willing to cut into their profits so most likely again the artist gets screwed. These artists should be making a stand against their companies that produce their music, not people who feel like they are getting robbed $20 for a cd. I've been involved with the music industry in the past so I feel strongly for protecting the artist. I use to manage unsigned bands and go through the whole process of getting them signed and noticed how they got screwed big time. I met a lot of the commercial bands that I thought would be millionares and realized they are just getting by. Yes, there's the Britney's, Madonnas, and those crapy Boy Bands that are doing really well. Just look at the picture in whole. Look through your cd collection and I bet half those bands are barely making what you make a year.




