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Rogue588 07-19-02 12:11 AM


Originally posted by chanster Oh please. DMB's songs have always, always been a mix between upbeat tempos and lyrics that are depressing.
Well, while I agree with some things that have been said here [on both sides]...we have to understand that Dave didn't intend for tLS to get out. They were scrapped in favor of "Everyday".

Would it have stayed this way?

Who knows? But you wouldn't have noticed a perceived difference in the emotion of Dave's vocals if you hadn't heard the originals [which we weren't supposed to].

Evolution 07-19-02 01:15 AM


Originally posted by Rogue588
Well, while I agree with some things that have been said here [on both sides]...we have to understand that Dave didn't intend for tLS to get out. They were scrapped in favor of "Everyday".

Would it have stayed this way?

Who knows? But you wouldn't have noticed a perceived difference in the emotion of Dave's vocals if you hadn't heard the originals [which we weren't supposed to].

Obviously I wouldn't have noticed a difference if I hadn't heard the originals... I'd have no basis for comparison. That doesn't necessarily mean I would've liked Busted Stuff anymore. It sounds emotionally detached to me, and whether or not it would sound that way if I'd never heard the original recordings, we'll never really know for sure. As for the comment that Dave's always done depressing lyrics to upbeat tempos, ok... what's your point? I never said anything about tempos. I was talking about moods... He was obviously not in the same dark mood he was during the original sessions when he rerecorded these songs, and THAT is obvious. Listen to the darker songs on BTCS. They sound sincere... maybe he was really all chipper then too and he was just pretending... but if he was pretending, he did a damn good job. On Busted Stuff, the mood just doesn't fit the music. I'm sorry if you don't agree with that or don't hear it, but don't come tell me that my opinion is riduclous just because it differs from yours.

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chanster 07-19-02 11:21 AM

Sorry, didnt' mean to make it personal and wasn't really criticizing you, just the opinion of Busted Stuff being inferior. Lilleywhite Sessions are much more raw than Busted Stuff, because they are unfinished works. Raw does not always equal more dark, although the recordings do sound more dark but that may be do to the recording quality - it sounds like he was belting them away in a garage or something.

My point about depressing lyrics with upbeat tempos is that people were criticizing Dave for going back and making Busted Stuff more uplifting by slightly changing the lyrics.

First off, that isn't a crime. Secondly, Well, I just don't see that. The lyrics remain pretty dark and the minor changes are pretty usual for DMB given how much they played on tour and used these songs.

DrRingDing 07-20-02 07:18 PM

by criticizing an opinion, you are criticizing the person's feelings towards something...

and my opinion will stay. ;) the lyric changes, albeit <i>understandable</i>, are not good and change the tone of the song (Big-Eyed Fish) IMO. it may not feel that way to you, but it does to me.

obviously you don't feel that way, chanster, and the more power to you for that. hell, i wish i was in your shoes because then i would enjoy it more! but i'm not, and my feelings towards the diluted song lyrics will remain. ridiculous or not. ;)

what's more, i think, in retrospect, the changed lyrics only reinforce the lack of emotion that i sense. i think the best words to describe my feelings towards the album are that "his heart wasn't in it" - it feels like something he was forced to do, in order to capitalize on some part of the Lillywhite Sessions. or, at least, that is the way it seems to me! :)

and, of course, i do appreciate the songs overall - see my sig - they just don't hold up to the Lillywhites overall.
-di doctor-

Duran 07-27-02 11:41 PM

I'm apparently not into DMB as much as some of you, but I found BS to be a much welcome album after that steaming pile, Everyday. That remains the only DMB album I haven't purchased.


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