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Old 03-21-01, 06:34 PM
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Anybody like this film? I'm guessing no.

I thought it was great!! I can't understand why everyone hates it.

It has this mysterious aura to it, I don't know, but I think it's good.

Depp is a great actor.

So what do you guys think and why?
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Yeah, I pretty much was the only person I know who saw it when it was in the theater and did NOT feel ripped off. It was a cool, eerie story. I think most were pissed that
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everyone didn't die at the end (at the hands of Lucifer).
Old 03-21-01, 06:47 PM
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I think the problem most had with it is it wasn't very "American". It left loose ends with that vague, unsatisfying ending. I don't see how the same people who bash this movie can praise The Beyond.
I enjoyed it.
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I was dissappointed with it. I thought it would be a really good, thoughtful, dialogue driven suspense film. Unfortunately I just thought it was boring, made little sense, and had horrible pacing.
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I enjoyed the movie up to and excluding the ending.
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Originally posted by nazz
I enjoyed the movie up to and excluding the ending.
Ditto. The ending just did the movie in for me.
Old 03-21-01, 09:13 PM
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The ending wasn't too bad! It was a very weird sexual scene, but still..

The woman turned out to be the devil's agent, and then invited Johnny Depp into the hell as a guest..

I think that's it, correct me if I'm wrong!
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Originally posted by TheCLovur
The ending wasn't too bad! It was a very weird sexual scene, but still..

The woman turned out to be the devil's agent, and then invited Johnny Depp into the hell as a guest..

I think that's it, correct me if I'm wrong!
I thought the woman
Spoiler:
actually was the devil
.
Old 03-21-01, 10:14 PM
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From what i got from it... the girl was
Spoiler:
the devil


but i can be wrong. the ending really didn't make sense to me. it really was the only thing that this movie lacked in. a ending
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Originally posted by TheCLovur
The ending wasn't too bad! It was a very weird sexual scene, but still..

The woman turned out to be the devil's agent, and then invited Johnny Depp into the hell as a guest..

I think that's it, correct me if I'm wrong!
Well, I did think that was weird, but that's really not the ending. Don't ask me how I would have ended it because I don't have an answer, but the very ending of the film was just too.....too....well, too much something. I liked the rest of the movie though.
Old 03-22-01, 12:51 PM
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I liked it a lot, and I'm planning on picking it up on DVD sometime soon. I agree that maybe it wasn't typically "American" or "Hollywood" -- and that's WHY I liked it! I like movies that are different and not predictable.
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Hmm, let's see. This woman tried to kill me. I think I'll have sex with her.

(fast forward)

Hmm, let's see. This woman is killing people and flying down stairs. I think I'll have sex with her.

I can't believe I paid four bucks to rent this crap and help put money into the pockets of a child molester.
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Originally posted by noellyg
Hmm, let's see. This woman tried to kill me. I think I'll have sex with her.

(fast forward)

Hmm, let's see. This woman is killing people and flying down stairs. I think I'll have sex with her.

I can't believe I paid four bucks to rent this crap and help put money into the pockets of a child molester.
Well it's been a bit since I've seen this movie, but if I remember correctly Depp never actually sees this woman do several of her acts and she actually helps him out in several situations. For instance he doesn't see her fly down the steps, and she comes to his rescue in that instance.

I also enjoyed this film, a good dark thriller.
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I still woulda banged her. But I'm a moron.

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I liked the movie very much, until the ending. For being
Spoiler:
the devil
she wasn't all that hot, IMHO.

Seems like
Spoiler:
the devil
would have had bigger
Spoiler:
breasts.
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Originally posted by renaldow
I liked the movie very much, until the ending. For being
Spoiler:
the devil
she wasn't all that hot, IMHO.

Seems like
Spoiler:
the devil
would have had bigger
Spoiler:
breasts.
Hmm.. I thought she made a better
Spoiler:
devil
than
Spoiler:
Elizabeth Hurley
just my opinion!
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I saw it a week ago last night, and I liked it quite a bit. It put a somewhat different twist on this type of movie, and was pretty interesting. I could've done without the ending, but it wasn't that bad. Not like it ruined it for me. Although I didn't exactly see the point in it, like it didn't resolve much.
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I really liked the mellow level of camp in this film, and Depp's performance was very nice and subtle too. The ending was so over the top though it makes you think that either

a. the whole film should have be more blatently campy or
b. the ending should have been much less blatently over the top.
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I've just watched The Ninth Gate twice the past two days (both times sans commentary), and I have to say this movie is rapidly climbing my overall list of favorite movies. I honestly can't put my finger on exactly why it's so good. Sure, there's things wrong with it (plot has holes, castle/orgy sequence pretty campy, galactically befuddling ending), but I still like it.

It gives me chills to see it, and I like the idea of Johnny Depp investigating old places in Europe, obscure and occult books. It's also kind of funny to see the book collectors talk about their collections and thinking they're outcasts and meanwhile next to my TV are my hundreds of DVDs.

I bumped this thread because I'm wondering if there's anyone here that actually likes this movie this much -- most people seem to have unkind words to say to it (as I did when I first saw it in the theatre) but it's grown on me.

Which brings me to my last point: what other movies have this general mood about them? The Ninth Gate is just excellent at establishing this really creepy mood and with the exception of Se7en I can't think of any other movies that do this off the top of my head.
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I enjoyed it. Much like Mulholland Drive, it took another viewing to appreciate the clues and figure the story out. Someone on another forum posted his thoughts of which I'll paste here. Not as long as that Salon article on Mulholland Dr.

Spoiler:
#1.
Towards the end of the film, Balkan solves the enigma of the Nine Gates by reuniting all of the Lucifer engravings, and reads the riddle to himself (and a watching Corso). The riddle (as far as I would make out) is `To travel in silence; by a long a secretous (confusing?) path; to brave the arrows of misfortune; and fear neither noose nor fire; to play the greatest game and win; foregoing all expense; is to make a (something?) of faith; and gain at last the key; that will unlock the ninth gate.'

If you watch the film closely, you will find that Corso does indeed, albeit unknowingly, follow the instructions in the riddle. He travels discretely; the path certainly is confusing; he had many misfortunes, but persists; when confronted with his dead friend (on the noose), and in several places fire, he is not afraid; he certainly played the game of looking for (and getting) the engravings; he spared no expense, notice the bribes and tips that he passes around; and at the Baroness's library he proclaimed his failing faith.

Perhaps Balkan had also done similar deeds, but since the last engraving was a forgery, and gave the wrong instructions, he failed to open the Gate.

Who made the forgery? Obviously the Ceniza brothers. When Corso met them, they showed ample knowledge of what was required to forge a book like the Nine Gates. Their solution was to forge only a single sheet in the book. Being specialists in antique bookbinding, they could very well have replaced the page. You can make up your own mind why they did it. Was it because they knew the power of the book and wanted to make sure that anybody who tried to open the Gate would fail, or were they agents of Lucifer who wanted to be able to choose whom (s)he allowed to access the Gate?
What was behind the Ninth Gate? What do _you_ think? Hell, heaven, ultimate power, ultimate suffering? It's whatever you think it is. You don't have to be told, just decide what it is yourself.

Why wasn't Corso arrested for murder? Who actually saw him at the murder scenes? In New York it was the taxi driver who would probably not find out about the murder anyway. In Portugal, Fargas lived by himself and probably didn't tell anyone that Corso was visiting him. In France there were two witnesses, but they only caught a glimpse of Corso fleeing the scene, and even if they did recognize him, the police still had to find him, and he skipped town pretty soon after.
All in all, I think that there are answers for just about any questions you could ask about the film. But you must, as the Ceniza brothers would say, `think!'

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#2:
Many people have expressed a lot of confusion over The Girl, but they're missing the point of the film entirely. *She* is Lucifer. First of all, as it's been noted elsewhere, she is the only character that exhibits supernatural powers in the whole movie, in spite of the fact that there's more satanists than you could throw a rock at. Throughout the film she guides and assists Johnny Depp's character Corso, showing up at the most opportune moments, giving him information he'd never be able to get otherwise (like the girl's last name, St. Martin, and the location of the last page).
But the most crucial element here, and one I haven't seen mentioned before, is that SHE is the "Ninth Gate". It's the mirror image of divine grace. Corso is chosen by Lucifer herself, tempted by her, and led to the final realization of what's been going on all this time. She tempted him and he accepted. He was already somewhat sleazy to begin with, his soul already tainted, which was symbolized by his indulgence in so many vices. This is not a guy you can count on to "do the right thing." Witness the way he bashed the satanist's head in with the butt of the gun and then didn't seem too upset about it. In fact he hardly registered it at all--The Girl was more moved by the murder than he was.
Absolutely no one could have told Corso where the last page of the gate engravings was except Lucifer. Corso was hand-picked. I mean, would you give Ultimate Power to just any bozo? Of course not. That was the whole idea behind the puzzle of the nine pages in the first place. It weeded out idiots like Boris Balkan. He thought he could get power by figuring out the puzzle but he was as ridiculous as the robed and cowled satanists that he derided at the chateau.
All in all, I think many people missed the entire point of this movie which is somewhat disheartening. When you see The Girl's picture on the last page it should all come together for you.

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#3:

The first engraving (I) seen is of a Knight on horseback riding towards the castle with the inscription 'SI.VM E.T AV.AM' which is translated be the character Boris Balkan to read 'Silence is Golden'. The significance being the number of towers within the castle de Purvert in southern France featured in the final scene of the movie. All the important engraving baring the engravers mark of "LCF" (Lucifer) as adapted from the Delamonicon

The second engraving (VI) to be seen in the movie is of the Man hung by one leg that scene Bernie Orsteen is found murdered by Corso as to being demonically crucified symbolized by the crossing of the legs.

The third engraving (III) in the film is of the Archer, which indeed does resemble the Ceniza brothers. The significance is of course the scaffolding falling like arrow from the skies.

The fourth engraving (II) in the film is of the hermit representing the character of Victor Fargess. From him Corso is given the "Key to unlocking the secret of the book. His is now able to compare the engravings and discover their deviation... Here now he has the key to enter the game represented by the labyrinth, and of course the fool represents him. This is depicted in the fifth engraving (IIII).

When Corso goes to see Barrenness Kessler, he shows her the two engravings (I & VII) key (the variations within the engravings) thus the pupil outshines the master; Kessler being the master (King) and Corso being the pupil (peasant) playing chess (VII) The sixth engraving (VIII) seen in the movie is the Franciscan monk and the knight holding a mace. This represents Corso being struck from behind while studying Barrenness Kessler's copy of the Nine Gates in her library. Note: the halo represents the "albino man" as seen at the beginning of the fight sequence along the river Seine. The Great Dane seen after the burning Barrenness Kessler’s library probably represents either Lucifer or the "The Girl" In regards to the "The Girl" represents a witch acting as a sentinel guarding the Ninth Gate. The statements make by Boris Balkan during his lecture on witchcraft. He states that: "…A witch is a person who though cognizant of the laws of God, endeavor to act through the medium of a pact with the devil…" She appears to be an oracle for her Master, as she orchestrates the course events by casting spells that determine Corso’s fate… One may assume that once entering the Ninth Gate Corso has reached the next level or another ethereal plane. And it may be consider the next level of the game.

The fifth engraving (V) (not shown in the film) is of an old bearded man sitting, and counting a sack of coins. He is in the presence of a hooded skeletal figure that holds in one hand an hourglass and in the other holds a pitchfork. This probably represents Liana Telfer/ St. Martin and Andrew Telfer. For it was Mr. Telfer whose money was used to restore his wife’s chateau and to purchase the "Nine Gates" for her. The elements of the engraving are symbolized by the hourglass being of ones time on earth and the pitchfork, the harvesting of a soul or ones fortune.

The final engraving(s) (VIIII) one is of the sentinel sitting on the back seven headed serpent, and flames rising from the castle in the background. The Ceniza brothers forged this engraving; then Corso discovered the authentic ninth engraving upon his return to their abandoned bookstore. The second ninth engraving depicts the sentinel/witch pointing the way towards an unearthly/ethereal emanating from within the castle.

The Solution to Ninth Gate Enigma: (According to Boris Balkan)

I. TO TRAVEL IN SILENCE,
IIII. BY A LONG AND CIGURITOUS ROUTE. III. TO BRAVE THE ARROWS OF MISFORTUNE, VI. AND FEAR NIETHER NOOSE NOR FIRE. VII. TO PLAY THE GREATEST OF ALL GAMES AND WIN. V. FORGOING NO EXPENSE… VIII. IS TO MOCK THE FLISITUDES OF FATE, II. AND GAIN, AT LAST THE KEY IX. THAT WILL UNLOCK THE NINTH GATE

Here is my take on the symbolic meaning of the last scene of the Ninth Gate… Dean Corso is allow to continue "The Game", and as Balkan put it " I am (now Corso) entering uncharted territory, taking road that leads to equality with God." Dean Corso is the first worthy opponent in three and a half centuries to play the Devil’s Game.

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I like this movie a lot and found the ending pretty damn cool...I haven't seen it for a few years, but how is the commentary by Polanski? That was one of my main reasons for purchasing and I've never gotten around to watching or listening to it yet.
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A little off topic, but oh well:

I actually purchased this a month or 1 ago(with Stir of Echos, both as blind buys), and if anyone wants to trade or purchase it from me, please email me at kneijst1 AT hotmail DOT com.

I thought it was okay, but I also did not like the ending, hence I doubt I will want to see it again.
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actually, I have just watched it a few times also this week and i find it excellent. the girl is the devil i believe. she is hot and even if she was going to kill me i would still get some. I thought a sequel was in the works with the writer of the first one directing and writing the second to be called "the devil's beauty". of course depp would have to be in it for it to be good. I thought it was better than the others, sixth sense, stir of echoes, and the ring.
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Originally posted by The Bus
I've just watched The Ninth Gate twice the past two days (both times sans commentary), and I have to say this movie is rapidly climbing my overall list of favorite movies. I honestly can't put my finger on exactly why it's so good. Sure, there's things wrong with it (plot has holes, castle/orgy sequence pretty campy, galactically befuddling ending), but I still like it.

It gives me chills to see it, and I like the idea of Johnny Depp investigating old places in Europe, obscure and occult books. It's also kind of funny to see the book collectors talk about their collections and thinking they're outcasts and meanwhile next to my TV are my hundreds of DVDs.

I bumped this thread because I'm wondering if there's anyone here that actually likes this movie this much -- most people seem to have unkind words to say to it (as I did when I first saw it in the theatre) but it's grown on me.

Which brings me to my last point: what other movies have this general mood about them? The Ninth Gate is just excellent at establishing this really creepy mood and with the exception of Se7en I can't think of any other movies that do this off the top of my head.
I feel the same way about this movie. There is just something about it. Although I liked it the first time I watched it and I thought that the ending was one of the best I've seen in a long time. How did people want it to end? Johnny Depp drinking beers with the devil in hell talking abouth the good old days?
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Good creepy movie. I really enjoy it for whatever reason.

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