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Hailey G 08-11-21 03:45 PM

Re: How bad do you think Dune (2021) will bomb?
 

Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13969267)
they all want to strike gold twice and be the next Star Wars. that's how i see these sci-fi "space opera" type movies since 1980 (which really cemented the series). they want to be Star Wars OT and never will be, but try nonetheless.

The audience for Dune and Star Wars, despite both being space operas, couldn't be more different.

Star Wars has more in common with Fairy Tales and Fantasy that it does with sci-fi.

Runaway 08-11-21 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Obi-Wanma (Post 13969275)
The audience for Dune and Star Wars, despite both being space operas, couldn't be more different.

There is no intersection whatsoever, the Jim Jarmush movie audience is closer to Star Wars than Dune.

dex14 08-11-21 04:07 PM

Re: How bad do you think Dune (2021) will bomb?
 

Originally Posted by Runaway (Post 13969284)
There is no intersection whatsoever, the Jim Jarmush movie audience is closer to Star Wars than Dune.

Damn… now I want Jarmusch to direct Driver in a Kylo movie.

Runaway 08-11-21 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dex14 (Post 13969285)
Damn… now I want Jarmusch to direct Driver in a Kylo movie.

Saw Gerrera / Ghost Dog, same difference

OldBoy 08-11-21 04:32 PM

Re: How bad do you think Dune (2021) will bomb?
 

Originally Posted by Obi-Wanma (Post 13969275)
The audience for Dune and Star Wars, despite both being space operas, couldn't be more different.

Star Wars has more in common with Fairy Tales and Fantasy that it does with sci-fi.

not at all what i said. they wanted to make Lynch's Dune and every other space sci-fin adventure, whatever like Star Wars. they wanted a huge success in the vein of. they obviously did not succeed perhaps bc not a lot knew source or saw it on big and it was a pos. let face it, every space/sci-fi franchise wants to be SW. that's all.

milo bloom 08-11-21 04:58 PM

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I don't think it will be as huge, but I think the success of the Lord of the Rings movies is an indicator that it will do fairly well. I think the feuding houses schtick will help sell it to the Game of Thrones crowd.

TomOpus 08-11-21 05:20 PM

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80% of why I'll see it in a theater is to bask in the beauty of how it'll look.

OldBoy 08-11-21 06:50 PM

Re: How bad do you think Dune (2021) will bomb?
 

Originally Posted by milo bloom (Post 13969322)
I don't think it will be as huge, but I think the success of the Lord of the Rings movies is an indicator that it will do fairly well. I think the feuding houses schtick will help sell it to the Game of Thrones crowd.

this doesn’t look or feel anything like GoT or LotR and I don’t think either one will be an indicator for anything. Those other two were lightning captured in a bottle. This won’t be close. Not now, this time, the material and how it looks.

Kurt D 08-11-21 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ (Post 13969266)
Every time I’ve gone into a book store in the last 6 months or so, Dune seems to always be prominently displayed in a high traffic areas. So at least they’re TRYING to get the story into the forefront.

This was going to be the movie that brought me back to theaters but the further we slip back into COVID bullshit, the more I lean toward just watching this at home.

I hope it does really well. I’d hate for this to not get proper follow-up movies. I want to do my part but not at the cost of my, and my family’s, health. If it fails, that sucks but it’ll be just one more shitty repercussion on top of a million other shitty repercussions over the last year +.

I don't quite get the point of the thread, but I must say this. The book is for many reasons unfilmable (at least I've always felt that way) so the followup books are unfilmable x 10,000. There is no way there will ever be live action movies of the sequel books. (Animation would work though ...)

Dan 08-11-21 07:35 PM

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Dune will be da bomb!

*Post Quick Reply*

DJariya 08-11-21 07:42 PM

Re: How bad do you think Dune (2021) will bom
 

Originally Posted by Kurt D (Post 13969406)
I don't quite get the point of the thread, but I must say this. The book is for many reasons unfilmable (at least I've always felt that way) so the followup books are unfilmable x 10,000. There is no way there will ever be live action movies of the sequel books. (Animation would work though ...)

The point I was trying to make that it’s a big budget “prestige” science fiction movie that’s been anticipated for over a year now. But due to some bad circumstances it’s being put in a situation to fail miserably financially. And also going against the wishes of the director to make this theatrical only to give it the best opportunity to be a successful film. Which would make any potential sequels that the director has said he wants to make doubtful.

Again I don’t blame anyone who just wants to see the movie with it essentially being given away for free. And I know many here simply don’t care about the financial aspect.

E Unit 08-11-21 07:43 PM

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This would need a full theatrical release in a non-Covid world to even come close to breaking even. That said, any hype there has gone down big time since the delay of release. I’m guessing it’ll have a bigger audience at home on Max than in theaters.

D, I know you’re a huge advocate for these movies making its money and giving the actors their due, but we’re all almost back at square one since the pandemic began. Even as I’ve been vaccinated, I’m still not chancing it going out into theaters. I do wish they’d delay these movies, but that’s their call. Again, personal health and livelihood outweigh supporting a movie in theaters big time for me.

OldBoy 08-11-21 07:52 PM

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^ very well said.

Dr. DVD 08-11-21 07:56 PM

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So...it's a bomb before it's released and a single review is available? Perhaps, but hey, if people aren't going back to the theater then that means I'm almost guaranteed a safe and private screening on a big screen, right?

It kind of sucks because by all accounts and trailers , it appears they finally got it right. However, like others who have read the books, there is NO WAY they can bring all of them to the screen. The only issue is that they filmed half the book and I would love to see the rest of it realized. What I would like to know is just how much WB paid Legendary, who actually did finance most of this movie . WB is more or less just the distributor, and in order to avoid being taken to court reached some kind of an "agreement" (read fat check settlement) with Legendary over both this movie and Godzilla vs. Kong. Part of me wonders if WB , who truly has little financial stake in the movie, wants this thing to bomb so then there's an excuse to not make another one and it's a bit of payback to Legendary for challenging them. May sound out there, but look at Disney and Scarlett Johannson. Hollywood can be a petty place to my understanding.

jfoobar 08-11-21 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 13969153)
Some think it's going to bomb because people who didn't read the books won't understand it. Just curious how bad you think it will be? .

As I noted in the thread about the film, virtually none of the dialogue in the trailer is actually in the book at all. That suggests that they followed the story but have substantially re-written the dialogue. My guess is that they did this to make the adaptation much more approachable to audiences.

B5Erik 08-11-21 09:02 PM

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Nothing in 2020 or 2021 can really be called a bomb.

The pandemic has changed expectations and altered moviegoing reality. Hardly anyone is going to the movies. It's temporary (hopefully), but right now you can't judge box office success the same way you did 2 years ago.

Kurt D 08-11-21 09:53 PM

Re: How bad do you think Dune (2021) will bomb?
 

Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 13969415)
The point I was trying to make that it’s a big budget “prestige” science fiction movie that’s been anticipated for over a year now. But due to some bad circumstances it’s being put in a situation to fail miserably financially. And also going against the wishes of the director to make this theatrical only to give it the best opportunity to be a successful film. Which would make any potential sequels that the director has said he wants to make doubtful.

Again I don’t blame anyone who just wants to see the movie with it essentially being given away for free. And I know many here simply don’t care about the financial aspect.

Thanks for the reply!


Originally Posted by B5Erik (Post 13969454)
Nothing in 2020 or 2021 can really be called a bomb.

The pandemic has changed expectations and altered moviegoing reality. Hardly anyone is going to the movies. It's temporary (hopefully), but right now you can't judge box office success the same way you did 2 years ago.

This ^
It's impossible to judge the movie's success or failure by old standards, because all the rules, at least for now, have changed.

Sucks for Dune, but it, as they say, is what it is.

This might be better for it in a way, because if the movie had been released in say 2019, what would happen to it if it did only 50 million in the first weekend?

Artman 08-11-21 10:05 PM

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Just last wk, seeing Jungle Cruise w my folks... they could not have been more cold to the Dune trailer - and they're GoT and LOTR fans. This film is really in trouble.

tasha99 08-11-21 10:40 PM

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We're going to get HBO Max just to watch it, but I expect that the theatrical turnout will be disappointing

GoldenJCJ 08-11-21 11:00 PM

Re: How bad do you think Dune (2021) will bomb?
 

Originally Posted by Kurt D (Post 13969406)
I don't quite get the point of the thread, but I must say this. The book is for many reasons unfilmable (at least I've always felt that way) so the followup books are unfilmable x 10,000. There is no way there will ever be live action movies of the sequel books. (Animation would work though ...)

I’m under the impression that this movie is only half of the first book and that a follow up movie would just complete the story of Dune. I could be wrong though.

I shouldn’t have said “movies”, plural. I just meant one more movie to finish this particular story.

DJariya 08-11-21 11:09 PM

Re: How bad do you think Dune (2021) will bomb?
 

Originally Posted by Kurt D (Post 13969473)
Thanks for the reply!



This ^
It's impossible to judge the movie's success or failure by old standards, because all the rules, at least for now, have changed.

Sucks for Dune, but it, as they say, is what it is.

This might be better for it in a way, because if the movie had been released in say 2019, what would happen to it if it did only 50 million in the first weekend?

I looked it up. Blade Runner 2049 only made $32M opening weekend 4 years ago. I did see it opening weekend back then. So, I guess prestige science fiction just doesn’t sell to the masses and this movie was doomed regardless of HBO Max or people who won’t leave their house.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/...ref_=bo_se_r_2


It was regarded as a massive bomb 4 years ago even though it was critically acclaimed.

Kurt D 08-11-21 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ (Post 13969493)
I’m under the impression that this movie is only half of the first book and that a follow up movie would just complete the story of Dune. I could be wrong though.

I shouldn’t have said “movies”, plural. I just meant one more movie to finish this particular story.

That makes sense. The movie going world is not ready for Leto II.

B5Erik 08-12-21 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 13969496)
I looked it up. Blade Runner 2049 only made $32M opening weekend 4 years ago. I did see it opening weekend back then. So, I guess prestige science fiction just doesn’t sell to the masses and this movie was doomed regardless of HBO Max or people who won’t leave their house.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/...ref_=bo_se_r_2


It was regarded as a massive bomb 4 years ago even though it was critically acclaimed.

Critically acclaimed, but it still kind of sucked. It wasn't a very good movie, so it didn't find an audience. It was a huge disappointment, story wise. And Harrison Ford was sleepwalking through his performance.


TomOpus 08-12-21 07:44 AM

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I hope it doesn't bomb too horribly because I'd like to see Denis Villeneuve still get work.

GoldenJCJ 08-12-21 08:09 AM

Re: How bad do you think Dune (2021) will bomb?
 

Originally Posted by TomOpus (Post 13969545)
I hope it doesn't bomb too horribly because I'd like to see Denis Villeneuve still get work.

He’s a great director so he’ll continue to get work. Whether or not studios keep tossing him $150 - 160 million projects is another story.


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