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So another movie that was "announced" that we knew nothing about was cancelled? How many of these movies do they supposedly have in the various stages of "production"?

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Something in the works with Studio Ghibli:

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Oh, dang.

At a guess, I'd think it would be some of the Visions shorts being fleshed out into a movie or limited series. It's a hell of a team up, to be sure. Reminds me of the bit in TFA, where we see Rey making her dinner and sitting outside of the fallen AT AT with the helmet on. That's always felt very Miyazki-esque to me, particularly reminiscent of Nausicaa.

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Not quite sure where to put this but it seems pretty clever.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/...ezteme2dmzrumi

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...culpture01.JPG

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Does bread shrink when you freeze it in carbonite?

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WIth news that Kathleen Kennedy is leaving her role, I reckon Andor is all Gilroy and co being left alone to pursue their vision without KK interference and micromanaging. Look how many projects were canceled or altered, how many writers/directors previously were either fired or left due to artistic differences with KK, when KK had a heavy hand in things. Given she's leaving right at this point, just as season 1 of Andor finished under a hail of praise, it seems clear to me she was on the outs long before Andor, or Andor's success cemented the decision (given the accolades). Almost like a test to see if without her mothering a project could be successful or not.

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There isn't news. There are rumors.

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Her exit has been rumored since The Last Jedi came out.

But considering the mess that Star Wars has been in for the last few years, it's miraculous that she's still running Lucasfilm. Everyone is just sort of waiting for the axe to drop.

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This just sounds like baseless Kathleen Kennedy hate. Anything that fails is her fault, anything that succeeds does so despite her, with no actual evidence of her involvement either way.

Keep in mind that Kathleen Kennedy was running Lucasfilm when they brought in Gilroy to fix Rogue One, which turned out to be a box-office success. It seems obvious that when Gilroy wanted to do more Rouge One material, Lucasfilm would say "yes, please," and leave him largely alone to do it.

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Red One standing by!

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Personally, that film was the most unnecessary prequel ever made. Whoever thought it was a good idea to let Gilroy direct a musical number with Ewan McGregor and Nicole Kidman was sorely mistaken. "Because a Jedi can-can-can!" -rolleyes-

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In regards to the PT. Many people have grown a new fondness for the PT after the debacle of the ST. But I've always loved TPM anyway.

It gets a lot of backlash for various things, but i still find it the best of the PT. Each of them have their flaws, big flaws, but TPM to me is the more tighter movie/story. Too much falls apart inside AOTC and ROTS ,whereas TPM is more solid, and has a more "less is more" quality to it.

TPM was the first SW movie Lucas made after the OT, so he was a bit more focused or in the zone. It still had some of that OT-like organic adventure....the way Anakin, Padme, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon and Jar Jar all met and their adventures together thru Tatooine and beyond. A clique of characters like the OT bunch. We saw the origins of C3P0. The pod race itself is one of the best SW scenes imo from all 11 movies. Darth Maul was in it. We saw a new Sith enforcer outside of Vader. The fight scene against Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon was intense and interestingly situated.

The main thing tho for me was seeing the future Darth Vader as an innocent slave boy who loved his mom -- it was a touching or spine-tingling aspect. You saw Darth Vader for the very first time as a non-machine, a real human identity to him. He was all cute and innocent, full of love and hope. It's sobering to imagine after that film's release what could happen to turn someone like that into a monster. There was a gravity to it with our own real world, the journey we all make from child to adult. Whereas....AOTC and even ROTS, Lucas lost focus, added too much and got too fancy. The adventures and friendship/romance of Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Padme didn't come off organically, but forced. The whole "middle years of Vader" thing lost a lot of oomph. Vader screaming "nooooo" like a wuss was on the nose. Again, it was sobering and kind of shocking to see what would become the ruthless emotionless Darth Vader as a lovable little boy. But filling that gap between little boy and killing machine with a whiny teen hurt that juxtaposition.

Not saying AOTC and ROTS don't have value, or don't have their great scenes and moments. Just to me they aren't as solid, overdo it at times, squandering opportunities and ideas.

​But the PT >>>> ST by far and away.

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I don't know if I can say the PT is better than the ST (give me time, I'm not there yet)... but for as clunky as they were, as poorly staged, written, acted and directed as they were, etc, it did tell a coherent story. I wasn't asking myself how characters got from point A to point B in no time (they climbed a mountain in TFA), or how characters didn't crush every bone in their body while saying "ouch",

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I saw an article talking about the newfound love for prequels. But just because some are looking back on the prequels with more fondness doesn't change the fact that they just weren't good films. They are still filled with stilted performances, questionable effects work, poor pacing and bad plotting. That being said, it's still interesting to watch Ewan and Ian having a blast playing their rolls while being surrounded with nonsense, lol. There's a decent 3-hour movie in those prequels. A far as the sequels, I thought TFA was just what was needed to start the new trilogy. Too bad they had no real plan. The sequels end up being a bunch of really cool set pieces held to together with string and glue and tidbits of interesting ideas the went nowhere.

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The PT has a solid core story undermined by terrible execution. And the core story was something that had largely been established in the OT.

The ST is solid execution in terms of dialogue, characters, special effects, pacing, acting, ect. , undermined by no consistent vision of the overall story. Abrams launched it with a clear rehash of the original Star Wars that made some questionable choices and left a lot unexplained, but got a pass because it re-introduced the actually feel of the OT, along with fan service and nostalgia for the original cast, and that was enough at the time. I'm one of the ones that thinks TLJ was the best of the ST, and actually tried to steer the ST to something new and interesting, but TRoS Abrams was still devoid of any original ideas besides rehashing the OT, and his antics of not really explaining anything and just keeping the pace up and rushing to the next set piece doesn't work as well for the final chapter of a story.

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2023 Update: The Last Jedi and The Rise Of Skywalker are still shit.

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The problem with TPM is that the entire flick could have been told in a simple 10 minute flashback sequence. There are some cool sequences, to be sure (podracing and Duel of the Fates) but the entire movie is a pointless exercise in excess and no one telling George 'no.'

ST is leagues better than the PT for me because it all comes down to execution. The prequels may have a better, more sound and cohesive story but their execution is pure shit. I mean when a director takes Liam Neeson, Sam Jackson and Ewan McGregor and somehow manages to make them all give their worst performances of their careers in the same film? That's a helluva thing. Then there's the whole early CG lovefest where they look like video game cut scenes at this point. I've watched I and II recently and they're fucking rough. I'll be getting to III in the near future. I also wonder how many people warming to the PT have done so because of The Clone Wars series flushing out stories and characters Lucas couldn't/didn't. On their own, they're still very bad films with some bright spots in each.

As derided as the story is in the sequel trilogy and the mind boggling choice not to reunite Luke, Han and Leia... at least they were sound films with solid production that doesn't make you cringe (Padme and Anakin love scenes anyone?). I don't mind the story they told and the new characters were interesting enough that it easily elevatesd its watchability over the PT.

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At least a semi-coherent story under all of the video-gamey CGI, bad acting, awkward dialog, and baffling story decisions.

The Sequel Trilogy felt like it was made by AI bots... you know, like all of that "AI Art" that's flooding the internet right now, where you can tell it to make a picture of something and it will scour google images and come up with some bizarre composite image? It's like Disney had something like that to make movies, and they told it to make a "Star Wars trilogy with a female lead" and, goddamn it, it did it.

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Guys, seriously, do we need to be reminded every fucking decade how horrible the prequels are?

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I, for one, never forgot.


There are so many legitimately great movies in the world, it seems silly to spend my time trying to convince myself that three shitty movies are actually good.

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Agreed. Time to give the Prequel Trilogy hate a rest when there is the even shittier Sequel Trilogy to rag on.

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I find AOTC and ROTS slightly more tolerable if I watch them under the impression that Padme and Obi-Wan had a fling at some point between TPM and AOTC.

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The prequel kids are adults now. It's their trilogy and they love it. Thus the resurgence.

Maybe the same thing happens one day with the sequel kids.

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I find it funny how now we can look back on it and pretty much all agree that the one downfall to the ST was that they didn't have any kind of a plan for the trilogy. Not a single one. It's mindboggling. But in the midst of it I remember a lot of people arguing very vehemently that it didn't matter that they didn't have a plan. You don't need a plan. George Lucas didn't have a plan for the OT. Well look where we are now...

And of course having a plan wouldn't guarantee a great trilogy. But with the benefit of hindsight it would fix A LOT of the issues they had with the ST. Almost all of them could have been fixed if they had a general plot laid out and stuck to it. They wouldn't have let JJ Abrams make his pointless and empty mystery boxes. They wouldn't have let RJ just totally shit on everything Star Wars....for reasons. And they wouldn't have had to try to bring JJ Abrams back in to "fix" everything wrong with Star Wars up to that point.

But by far the biggest fail for the entire ST was not having a single scene with Luke Leia and Han in it. If we had just one scene with all of them together after all these years I think all the fans could have agreed that at least we got that one scene.