---> New Oscars Category : Popular Film
08-09-18 | 06:01 PM
#76
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I'm totally cool with the new category.
08-09-18 | 06:22 PM
#77
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I don't like moving the Oscars to early Feb in 2020 one week after the Super Bowl.
You need a break from big event programming and space them out and early March was better. The NFL playoffs, Golden Globes, Oscars, and Grammys will all be in a span of a month.
If they moved the show to NBC or FOX that would be even better and eliminate the conflict with Disney
Don't understand why ABC has a lifetime contract to televise the show.
You need a break from big event programming and space them out and early March was better. The NFL playoffs, Golden Globes, Oscars, and Grammys will all be in a span of a month.
If they moved the show to NBC or FOX that would be even better and eliminate the conflict with Disney
Don't understand why ABC has a lifetime contract to televise the show.
08-09-18 | 06:35 PM
#78
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Re: ---> New Oscars Category : Popular Film
From Dark Horizons:
Further details have come to light in the wake of yesterday’s shock announcement regarding the addition of a ‘Popular Movie’ category at the annual Academy Awards event.
Variety has posted a report suggesting the changes that have just been announced were the result of pressure from Disney-ABC Television Group executives in the wake of the poor ratings for this year’s ceremony.
ABC has a pact with AMPAS to broadcast the Oscars through 2028 and so is keen to make it work, but the viewership fell to 26.6 million viewers earlier this year – a steeper decline than the also dwindling figures of other awards ceremonies like the Grammys.
So ABC execs met with AMPAS and after studying ratings carefully, they made the recommendations of reigning in the show’s length, the moving up of the ceremony to an early calendar period and a proposed ‘best blockbuster’ category.
The first two changes have so far been met far more positively, though the shorter length has been revealed to be partly achieved by moving several awards categories into commercial breaks with those smaller awards being announced later in the broadcast with a quick montage.
It’s the popular film awards where both criticism and questions still linger, but ABC is reportedly quite happy with the changes and likely won’t budge on them despite the backlash because they perceive changes to an old institution like the Oscars often yields complaints. AMPAS also issued the following statement:
“While the details for a popular film category are still being finalized, a single film is eligible for an Oscar in both categories – Outstanding Achievement in Popular Film and the Academy Award for Best Picture. The new category will be introduced this coming year, at the 91st Oscars. In creating this award, the Board of Governors supports broad-based consideration of excellence in all films.”
Amusingly ABC has shot itself in the bit somewhat here. Consultants were hired to push “Black Panther” as a serious contender for a potential Best Picture nomination – now it will be exiled to the ‘Popular Movie’ category which is being labelled as a deeply condescending honor.
Further details have come to light in the wake of yesterday’s shock announcement regarding the addition of a ‘Popular Movie’ category at the annual Academy Awards event.
Variety has posted a report suggesting the changes that have just been announced were the result of pressure from Disney-ABC Television Group executives in the wake of the poor ratings for this year’s ceremony.
ABC has a pact with AMPAS to broadcast the Oscars through 2028 and so is keen to make it work, but the viewership fell to 26.6 million viewers earlier this year – a steeper decline than the also dwindling figures of other awards ceremonies like the Grammys.
So ABC execs met with AMPAS and after studying ratings carefully, they made the recommendations of reigning in the show’s length, the moving up of the ceremony to an early calendar period and a proposed ‘best blockbuster’ category.
The first two changes have so far been met far more positively, though the shorter length has been revealed to be partly achieved by moving several awards categories into commercial breaks with those smaller awards being announced later in the broadcast with a quick montage.
It’s the popular film awards where both criticism and questions still linger, but ABC is reportedly quite happy with the changes and likely won’t budge on them despite the backlash because they perceive changes to an old institution like the Oscars often yields complaints. AMPAS also issued the following statement:
“While the details for a popular film category are still being finalized, a single film is eligible for an Oscar in both categories – Outstanding Achievement in Popular Film and the Academy Award for Best Picture. The new category will be introduced this coming year, at the 91st Oscars. In creating this award, the Board of Governors supports broad-based consideration of excellence in all films.”
Amusingly ABC has shot itself in the bit somewhat here. Consultants were hired to push “Black Panther” as a serious contender for a potential Best Picture nomination – now it will be exiled to the ‘Popular Movie’ category which is being labelled as a deeply condescending honor.
Harvey would have creamed his pants if he would have been able to ADD a category to all but guarantee a win.
08-09-18 | 07:00 PM
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I can't see why someone who wouldn't tune in for the Oscars when The Matrix wins four technical awards would want to watch if it were in the running for "Best Movie That Joe Sixpack Actually Watched". And if people didn't tune in this year to watch Get Out compete for many of the biggest awards and actually win an Original Screenplay Oscar for Jordan Peele, what makes anyone think they'd watch if they were pretty much certain it was going to win the Best Picture - Lesser Movie Division Oscar?
How is this new award any more interesting or prestigious than the technical Oscars? It still isn't going to be Best Picture. It isn't going to be as important as Best Picture. It's like winning Best Animated Feature -- another Oscar handed out, put the sticker on the Blu Ray shrink wrap, but really and truly, who cares if Zootopia or Big Hero Six or Coco won a single, solitary Oscar? Nobody tunes in to watch that, right?
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08-09-18 | 08:04 PM
#80
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I'm not saying I don't care about tech categories, just the average person probably doesn't.
You could even make a case that tech categories are useless. So and so film won 3 awards that we're not best picture. Yay! Just to put the sticker on the box,like you said.
You could even make a case that tech categories are useless. So and so film won 3 awards that we're not best picture. Yay! Just to put the sticker on the box,like you said.
08-09-18 | 08:54 PM
#81
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As someone who works in the film industry, the technical and "smaller" awards are extremely important in my eyes because THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE MOVIE.
Yes, the actors act and the director directs and so forth but the people building sets, and rolling sound, and every other facet of the production are VITAL. Dumping everything but the prestige awards is stupid because it only reinforces the myopic Joe Six Pack view that only those above the line are responsible for a film's success.
Yes, the actors act and the director directs and so forth but the people building sets, and rolling sound, and every other facet of the production are VITAL. Dumping everything but the prestige awards is stupid because it only reinforces the myopic Joe Six Pack view that only those above the line are responsible for a film's success.
08-09-18 | 09:17 PM
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Re: ---> New Oscars Category : Popular Film
As someone who works in the film industry, the technical and "smaller" awards are extremely important in my eyes because THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE MOVIE.
Yes, the actors act and the director directs and so forth but the people building sets, and rolling sound, and every other facet of the production are VITAL. Dumping everything but the prestige awards is stupid because it only reinforces the myopic Joe Six Pack view that only those above the line are responsible for a film's success.
Yes, the actors act and the director directs and so forth but the people building sets, and rolling sound, and every other facet of the production are VITAL. Dumping everything but the prestige awards is stupid because it only reinforces the myopic Joe Six Pack view that only those above the line are responsible for a film's success.
Like those technical awards “held earlier in the week” the real filmmakers are ghettoized. This is just pushing them further out of the room. Production design, cinematography, costumes, editing, and sound are the real categories. As are the technical awards. They make the visuals, they make the sound, they lasso the whole thing and make it what it is. The stars don’t even know what these people do.
08-09-18 | 10:01 PM
#83
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Here is your fix for the ratings drop for Oscar telecast:
Live viewer voting
It’s a shitty overall concept, but if you are ONLY concerned with ratings ...
Start with 10 best picture nominees and eliminate one at each commercial break. Allow viewers to vote for actor/actress categories during the telecast.
Live viewer voting
It’s a shitty overall concept, but if you are ONLY concerned with ratings ...
Start with 10 best picture nominees and eliminate one at each commercial break. Allow viewers to vote for actor/actress categories during the telecast.
08-09-18 | 10:12 PM
#84
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Re: ---> New Oscars Category : Popular Film
2018
The Oscar nominated film Boss Baby
The Oscar winner Kobe Bryant
2019
The Oscar nominated film Rampage
Eh...I think it's a step up actually.
The Oscar nominated film Boss Baby
The Oscar winner Kobe Bryant
2019
The Oscar nominated film Rampage
Eh...I think it's a step up actually.
08-10-18 | 06:24 AM
#85
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I watched every Oscar telecast over a 40 year span and last year was the first year I did not watch it and I did not miss it at all. At one time the Oscars use to celebrate film...now its main goal is pushing for higher ratings, integrity be damned.
The best that I can say about the Oscars is that they have not reached the level of the Grammys which have been a joke from as far back as I can remember. How anyone takes them seriously is beyond me.
The best that I can say about the Oscars is that they have not reached the level of the Grammys which have been a joke from as far back as I can remember. How anyone takes them seriously is beyond me.
08-10-18 | 06:40 AM
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Lea Thompson 'Popular' Oscar Goes to ... 'Back to the Future,' Of Course.
http://www.tmz.com/2018/08/09/lea-th...ar-film-oscar/
http://www.tmz.com/2018/08/09/lea-th...ar-film-oscar/
08-10-18 | 08:25 AM
#87
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Now that I know there was at one point a Canadian version of an awards show that honored only films tangentially related to Canada, we need that back as a category, because I'd support all of those as Oscar winners.
The multiple Oscar winning franchise, Resident Evil. Or from the makers of the Oscar winning Care Bears: The Movie.
The multiple Oscar winning franchise, Resident Evil. Or from the makers of the Oscar winning Care Bears: The Movie.
08-10-18 | 06:28 PM
#88
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As someone who works in the film industry, the technical and "smaller" awards are extremely important in my eyes because THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE MOVIE.
Yes, the actors act and the director directs and so forth but the people building sets, and rolling sound, and every other facet of the production are VITAL. Dumping everything but the prestige awards is stupid because it only reinforces the myopic Joe Six Pack view that only those above the line are responsible for a film's success.
Yes, the actors act and the director directs and so forth but the people building sets, and rolling sound, and every other facet of the production are VITAL. Dumping everything but the prestige awards is stupid because it only reinforces the myopic Joe Six Pack view that only those above the line are responsible for a film's success.
We know those are the real people behind the success of a movie but it is not fun to watch it on TV.
08-10-18 | 06:45 PM
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I watched every Oscar telecast over a 40 year span and last year was the first year I did not watch it and I did not miss it at all. At one time the Oscars use to celebrate film...now its main goal is pushing for higher ratings, integrity be damned.
The best that I can say about the Oscars is that they have not reached the level of the Grammys which have been a joke from as far back as I can remember. How anyone takes them seriously is beyond me.
The best that I can say about the Oscars is that they have not reached the level of the Grammys which have been a joke from as far back as I can remember. How anyone takes them seriously is beyond me.
For what it is worth, I find it amusing that organization giving an award for Best Editing and Best Director can’t seem to keep the program under 3 hours ... which brings me to another “fix it for TV” suggestion ... 2 hours. Period. 2 hours and you are out.
Oooh ... another idea ... the winner of Best Director directs the show the next year. Kind of like baseball managers and the All-Star game.
08-10-18 | 07:56 PM
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i just hope they don't make this into an MTV Movie type award and honor a Twilight like movie or some shit like that to get that crowd. i like the Oscars for all its foibles and all. i like seeing the clips and the actors and the great movies being honored. it's all good to me even if i don't love the show part of it always...
08-10-18 | 08:19 PM
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You actually hit on another good point that I had been mulling over ... the Oscars originated as an awards ceremony that was televised. It was truly a celebration of the industry and the achievements of the artisans. Now, and this topic is evidence to this point, it is a television program that is trying to keep its ratings.
For what it is worth, I find it amusing that organization giving an award for Best Editing and Best Director can’t seem to keep the program under 3 hours ... which brings me to another “fix it for TV” suggestion ... 2 hours. Period. 2 hours and you are out.
Oooh ... another idea ... the winner of Best Director directs the show the next year. Kind of like baseball managers and the All-Star game.
Oooh ... another idea ... the winner of Best Director directs the show the next year. Kind of like baseball managers and the All-Star game.
08-10-18 | 08:52 PM
#92
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I thought that the point of the Oscars was that for one day Hollywood insiders are able to pat each other on the back and say, "We are Artists, and we do more than crank out profitable merchandise, we create True Art!"
Thus the nominations for The Shape of Water, Darkest Hour and Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri. They may not have been blockbusters, but they were Serious Movies.
Thus the nominations for The Shape of Water, Darkest Hour and Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri. They may not have been blockbusters, but they were Serious Movies.
08-10-18 | 09:51 PM
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2009 : Avatar, Up, The Blind Side
2010 : Toy Story 3, Inception, True Grit (?)
2011 : Hugo
2012 : Les Miserables, Life of Pi
2013 : Captain Phillips, Gravity
2014 : (kinda nothing}
2015 : Mad Max : Fury Road, The Martian
2016 : La La Land, Hidden Figures (?)
2017 : Get Out
08-11-18 | 11:32 PM
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Actually, the awards ceremony was originally held at a hotel ballroom and no one saw it except those present. Then they started broadcasting it on radio, although I'm not sure when. They didn't put it on TV until 1952, some 24 years or so after the first Academy Awards ceremony.
08-12-18 | 03:38 AM
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People who aren't asshats care about the awards that aren't just onscreen talent and BP. Roger Deakins and Ennio Morricone taking home their first Oscars were the highlight of each respective year they won.
The simple fact is major studio's only make big bland blockbusters nowadays. Everything they release into theaters is either a sequel, prequel, reboot, remake, franchise, comic book movie etc. If big movie studios still made movies with artistic merit , we wouldn't even be talking about this. So what we're left with is the films that are semi independent, with often moderate box office returns. I was fine with that. I actually liked that the Academy was going against the grain and thumbing their noses at the assembly line of garbage. They were the last of their kind. Now they've caved, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they sunk as low as the Grammy's and People's Choice Awards and all the other shows that are standing on top of the trash heap acting as award shows, but are really just advertisements for themselves. The whole thing is a scam.
The simple fact is major studio's only make big bland blockbusters nowadays. Everything they release into theaters is either a sequel, prequel, reboot, remake, franchise, comic book movie etc. If big movie studios still made movies with artistic merit , we wouldn't even be talking about this. So what we're left with is the films that are semi independent, with often moderate box office returns. I was fine with that. I actually liked that the Academy was going against the grain and thumbing their noses at the assembly line of garbage. They were the last of their kind. Now they've caved, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they sunk as low as the Grammy's and People's Choice Awards and all the other shows that are standing on top of the trash heap acting as award shows, but are really just advertisements for themselves. The whole thing is a scam.
08-12-18 | 08:59 AM
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If the Academy did a better job of looking at all movies as contenders, this wouldn’t be as much of an issue. Look at something like Patrick Stewart in Logan. He’s doing fantastic work and easily deserves a Best Supporting Actor nod but he’d never get it because of the genre of movie he’s in. This is a problem the Academy could fix without adding silly new categories.
As for the broadcast length, I’ve also felt they should look to the Tonys. They always manage to keep the runtime in check with a similar format and live performances. Of course, those people are good at doing a live show that runs the same length every night. I guess movie folks are too used to having the ability to edit.
As for the broadcast length, I’ve also felt they should look to the Tonys. They always manage to keep the runtime in check with a similar format and live performances. Of course, those people are good at doing a live show that runs the same length every night. I guess movie folks are too used to having the ability to edit.
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08-12-18 | 01:22 PM
#97
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This just puts Nolan one step closer to winning an undeserved Oscar for one of his shitty films.
08-12-18 | 03:25 PM
#98
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That's a senseless worry. If you want to know what kind of films will win, just look to the "popular" films nominated for Best Picture since the field expanded
2009 : Avatar, Up, The Blind Side
2010 : Toy Story 3, Inception, True Grit (?)
2011 : Hugo
2012 : Les Miserables, Life of Pi
2013 : Captain Phillips, Gravity
2014 : (kinda nothing}
2015 : Mad Max : Fury Road, The Martian
2016 : La La Land, Hidden Figures (?)
2017 : Get Out
2009 : Avatar, Up, The Blind Side
2010 : Toy Story 3, Inception, True Grit (?)
2011 : Hugo
2012 : Les Miserables, Life of Pi
2013 : Captain Phillips, Gravity
2014 : (kinda nothing}
2015 : Mad Max : Fury Road, The Martian
2016 : La La Land, Hidden Figures (?)
2017 : Get Out
However, it opened in limited release and had only made about $3 million until it went wide on January 16th of 2015 - the day after the nominations were announced. Nobody would have known that it was going to be a big hit until it was too late.
08-12-18 | 06:15 PM
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08-12-18 | 06:40 PM
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What happens if they get a year where you have a movie like Titanic or Return of the Kings that is the Top Grossing Film, and a respected film by the critics too? Does it get nominated for Best Picture and Most Popular, or does it get the shaft and thrown into the Most Popular category?