Jay G.

Well, you know what they say about anecdotal evidence...

The Twitter posts exist. The study found them, and analyzed them. They discovered troll/bots were amplifying the signal, but it was already there before anyone tried exploiting it. Sure, maybe not to the same degree as Ghostbusters, particularly in this forum, but it was there.

Mr. Flix

Let it die. Kill it if you have to.

SunMonkey

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I can’t wait.

Jay G.

So they're looking to "fix" the movie via some visually out of place shots and poor dubbing? I saw a shot of Akbar from ROTJ in there, and what looks like a behind-the-scenes shot of Rey's fight with Luke from a horrible angle. And "there's a spy among us!' sounds like very weak and contrived plotting.

TGM

I hated TLJ, but it is what it is. Hopefully the true salvage of the series comes from Ep9. This fanboy retcon stuff is pathetic.

Mike86

The problem with fan edits is even if they’re good they ultimately don’t matter. I’d be curious to at least watch that to see what it’s like, but I don’t think it’ll change my mind on the film.

stvn1974

This film is still a giant smelly turd but I am hoping Abrams can somehow make it seem not so smelly with his final film of the trilogy.

OldBoy

this got 3 stars or higher in poll. i don't understand all the hate truthfully. it wasn't the best in series, but i thought it was pretty damn good...

Michael Corvin

It's the same people beating the same drum. Anyone who liked the film was run off a long time ago.

Mike86

Right....

story

I loved it, I just don't feel like arguing about it.

Brack

I give you Exhibit A.

Mike86

I don’t like it, but it’s bullshit to act as though everyone who didn’t like it has ran away everyone who did. There’s been a back and forth from both sides. Your reply proves as much.

Brack

A back and forth between both sides, but it’s nowhere close to being 50/50, which is what the point of the post you replied to with a simple “right...” Hyperbole to say everyone, of course, but I don’t think Michael meant everyone in the literal sense of the word, but perhaps I’m wrong.

Mike86

Have you read a lot of the thread? A lot of it is those of us who don’t like it getting the third degree and pushback on why we don’t like aspects of the film. It’s definitely both ways.

Obi-Wanma

The majority of the third degree stuff was coming from one person in particular.

TomOpus

So now this thread is reduced to arguing about the argument.

Mr. Flix

Yup. I didn't like the movie but only made a couple of comments and then quit because I got tired of being stonewalled with dissertations on why my opinions were wrong.

True.

wishbone

Draven

To be fair, a lot of that pushback came from inconsistencies with taking TLJ to task for things that the OT got away with or that just weren't personally liked.

It was also implied that true Star Wars fans didn't like TLJ - which is fucking insulting. That's what got my hackles up the most.

TomOpus

Exactly.

brayzie

Except that's not fair nor accurate.

Weak arguments came from people who were criticizing The Last Jedi AND those who were defending it.

A couple examples:

-Those who disliked TLJ citing the extremely low "audience" score from Rotten Tomatoes as some sort of proof, which goes completely against the Box Office #s and the critics review score.

-Those who liked TLJ countering criticisms of the film by arguing that it was consistent with the prequels as if those films weren't widely criticized by critics AND fans.

There were generalizations made here about Star Wars fans from both "sides". Interesting that this is what you chose to mention in a post that starts with "just to be fair..."

Big Boy Laroux

Kylo has the best advice for this thread:

raven56706

man this movie had potential but it sucked

JTH182

I watched that trailer without sound, and it reaffirmed what I've been saying since opening night: there's a good movie in there, it's just the execution was bad.