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Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
03-28-18, 01:10 AM
#2502
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
OK, 100 pages of discussion is more than enough for this turd of a movie...
I'm done with this thread.
I'm done with this thread.
03-28-18, 02:18 AM
#2504
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
How’s this for compelling,,,,
Finn: At least you’re stealing from the bad guys and helping the good.
DJ: Good guys, bad guys, made-up words. Let's see who formerly owned this gorgeous hunk-uh. Ah, this guy was an arms dealer. Made his bank selling weapons to the bad guys. (hologram shows a tie fighter) Oh... And the good. (hologram shows a x-wing) Finn, let me learn you something big. It's all a machine, partner. Live free, don't join.
And
[DJ has sold Finn and Rose out, and revealed that the Resistance is fleeing towards Crait]
Finn: You murdering monster!
DJ: Oh, t-t-take it easy, Big F. They blow you up today, you blow them up tomorrow. Nothing personal, it's just business.
Finn: You're wrong.
DJ: Maybe.
Finn: At least you’re stealing from the bad guys and helping the good.
DJ: Good guys, bad guys, made-up words. Let's see who formerly owned this gorgeous hunk-uh. Ah, this guy was an arms dealer. Made his bank selling weapons to the bad guys. (hologram shows a tie fighter) Oh... And the good. (hologram shows a x-wing) Finn, let me learn you something big. It's all a machine, partner. Live free, don't join.
And
[DJ has sold Finn and Rose out, and revealed that the Resistance is fleeing towards Crait]
Finn: You murdering monster!
DJ: Oh, t-t-take it easy, Big F. They blow you up today, you blow them up tomorrow. Nothing personal, it's just business.
Finn: You're wrong.
DJ: Maybe.
Last edited by Brack; 03-28-18 at 02:32 AM.
03-28-18, 02:29 AM
#2505
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Finn: At least you're stealing from the bad guys and helping the good.
DJ: Good guys, bad guys, made-up words. Let's see who formerly owned this gorgeous hunk-uh. Ah, this guy was an arms dealer. Made his bank selling weapons to the bad guys. (hologram shows a tie fighter) Oh... And the good. (hologram shows a x-wing) Finn, let me learn you something big. It's all a machine, partner. Live free, don't join.
And
[DJ has sold Finn and Rose out, and revealed that the Resistance is fleeing towards Crait]
Finn: You murdering monster!
DJ: Oh, t-t-take it easy, Big F. They blow you up today, you blow them up tomorrow. Nothing personal, it's just business.
Finn: You're wrong.
DJ: Maybe.
Not compelling enough? Wait, there’s more
[DJ has sold Finn and Rose out, and revealed that the Resistance is fleeing towards Crait]
Finn: You murdering monster!
DJ: Oh, t-t-take it easy, Big F. They blow you up today, you blow them up tomorrow. Nothing personal, it's just business.
Finn: You're wrong.
DJ: Maybe.
Or this
[last words to Rey before he is killed by Kylo Ren with Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber]
Snoke: You think you can turn him? Pathetic child. I cannot be betrayed; I cannot be beaten. I see his mind, I see his every intent. Yes. I see him turning the lightsaber to strike true. And now, foolish child, he ignites it, and kills his true enemy!
Smoked: My worthy apprentice, son of darkness, heir apparent to Lord Vader. Where there was conflict, I now sense resolve. Where there was weakness, strength. Complete your training, and fulfill your destiny.
Should I keep going?
DJ: Good guys, bad guys, made-up words. Let's see who formerly owned this gorgeous hunk-uh. Ah, this guy was an arms dealer. Made his bank selling weapons to the bad guys. (hologram shows a tie fighter) Oh... And the good. (hologram shows a x-wing) Finn, let me learn you something big. It's all a machine, partner. Live free, don't join.
And
[DJ has sold Finn and Rose out, and revealed that the Resistance is fleeing towards Crait]
Finn: You murdering monster!
DJ: Oh, t-t-take it easy, Big F. They blow you up today, you blow them up tomorrow. Nothing personal, it's just business.
Finn: You're wrong.
DJ: Maybe.
Not compelling enough? Wait, there’s more
[DJ has sold Finn and Rose out, and revealed that the Resistance is fleeing towards Crait]
Finn: You murdering monster!
DJ: Oh, t-t-take it easy, Big F. They blow you up today, you blow them up tomorrow. Nothing personal, it's just business.
Finn: You're wrong.
DJ: Maybe.
Or this
[last words to Rey before he is killed by Kylo Ren with Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber]
Snoke: You think you can turn him? Pathetic child. I cannot be betrayed; I cannot be beaten. I see his mind, I see his every intent. Yes. I see him turning the lightsaber to strike true. And now, foolish child, he ignites it, and kills his true enemy!
Smoked: My worthy apprentice, son of darkness, heir apparent to Lord Vader. Where there was conflict, I now sense resolve. Where there was weakness, strength. Complete your training, and fulfill your destiny.
Should I keep going?
03-28-18, 06:31 AM
#2506
DVD Talk Legend
03-28-18, 06:33 AM
#2507
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
03-28-18, 06:52 AM
#2508
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I’m a fan of good writing, especially ones that depict realistic “villains”; DJ didn't double back and become a Lando. Wasn’t necessary. A new perspective of Star Wars none of the other movies really explored. He wants to live. What a wild concept.
Or Snoke predicting his own demise without even knowing it because Kylo was now capable of defeating the man he secretly hated for berating him and convincing him to kill his father for no reason?
You might not like it, but to say it’s not compelling or rich is not seeing the forest for through the trees.
I’m the cry baby when you endlessly and supposedly hate a movie that you can’t stop talking about for months with nothing new to offer? If that’s what you think. Then cry baby I am. If your best rebuttal is “leave Britney alone”, you have failed at a meaningful one.
Or Snoke predicting his own demise without even knowing it because Kylo was now capable of defeating the man he secretly hated for berating him and convincing him to kill his father for no reason?
You might not like it, but to say it’s not compelling or rich is not seeing the forest for through the trees.
I’m the cry baby when you endlessly and supposedly hate a movie that you can’t stop talking about for months with nothing new to offer? If that’s what you think. Then cry baby I am. If your best rebuttal is “leave Britney alone”, you have failed at a meaningful one.
03-28-18, 07:24 AM
#2509
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I’m a fan of good writing, especially ones that depict realistic “villains”; DJ didn't double back and become a Lando. Wasn’t necessary. A new perspective of Star Wars none of the other movies really explored. He wants to live. What a wild concept.
Or Snoke predicting his own demise without even knowing it because Kylo was now capable of defeating the man he secretly hated for berating him and convincing him to kill his father for no reason
03-28-18, 07:47 AM
#2510
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
And I used quotes for villain because he’s not a villain at all. He’s a survivor, and that’s understandable, not? Explain the one-dimensionally of “good guys, bad guys, made up words.” As a guy who doesn’t want to be an opportunist, he wants to survive, but even acknowledges that he might be wrong. Saving your own neck, because he thought his death was a forgone conclusion. Do we really need to know the whole background of the character of DJ? If we did, his character would have defeated his purpose.
Not really. That is a character that we barely have any emotional connect with dieing by a character that has already been established as such a loose cannon that he could blow up his own starship just because. So him killing Snoke wasn't a surprise like Vader turning on the emperor in Jedi. It's even less so since the way the Snoke scene was shot it was pretty damn obvious Kylo would turn the light saber on him.
Last edited by Brack; 03-28-18 at 12:24 PM.
03-28-18, 09:04 AM
#2512
Banned by request
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
OK guys, I finally watched TLJ a 2nd time after my initial bad experience in the theater. The reason I hung around here cause I wanted to hear the other side and try to process why this didn't work for me.
I have to eat some crow and admit I was wrong about my first viewing as I really enjoyed it when I watched it on BluRay tonight. The stuff that alienated me (Luke tossing the saber, Leia flying, Hux/Poe phone call) didn't really bother me as I was prepared for them so the shock factor of the movie was gone and I could focus on the narrative.
The Luke character worked for me on 2nd viewing, as in the end he is still the hero and the legend without 'technically' raising his lightsaber, the same thing he did in ROTJ. I don't have a problem with his death as I would rather have him go out on his own terms then some punk death by Kylo Ren or Snoke.
Poe Dameron's character really worked for me and should be a Good Resistance Leader for Episode 9. The Resistance subplot vs First Order worked fine for me as that was the one thing that didn't bother me on first viewing. Although Laura Dern's character still annoyed me, as she was just the wrong actress for SW, IMO.
The one thing I liked on my first viewing was Rey/Kylo Ren scenes and they worked just as well on 2nd viewing. The whole atmosphere of Luke's island was eerie and chilling and it reflected the tone of the first half of the movie.
The death of Snoke didn't bother me as much this time since I was expecting it as he was the one character from TFA that just didn't work for me. I was never in the 'Darth Plaguis' crowd, so his death doesn't anger me as much as it did on first viewing.
I see a theme for this trilogy as it is more about Light/Dark through Rey/Kylo Ren and I HOPE that JJ really focuses on this for Episode 9 and not cop out and get worried about revisiting Rey's heritage and whether Snoke is dead. I still think the 1-6 story has a tighter narrative, but if JJ can stick the landing with the Light/Dark theme then the 1-9 story may work from a certain point of view.
And the Luke/Leia reunion really hit me hard especially since Carrie Fisher passed away as that scene carries much more weight now. I'm still not stoked for Episode 9 the way I was for ROTJ in 1983 or ROTS in 2005 because I don't know where they are going with the movie? Maybe it's a good thing that we don't have any expectations to build up like we did before and won't have any preconceived notions of what will happen.
I have to eat some crow and admit I was wrong about my first viewing as I really enjoyed it when I watched it on BluRay tonight. The stuff that alienated me (Luke tossing the saber, Leia flying, Hux/Poe phone call) didn't really bother me as I was prepared for them so the shock factor of the movie was gone and I could focus on the narrative.
The Luke character worked for me on 2nd viewing, as in the end he is still the hero and the legend without 'technically' raising his lightsaber, the same thing he did in ROTJ. I don't have a problem with his death as I would rather have him go out on his own terms then some punk death by Kylo Ren or Snoke.
Poe Dameron's character really worked for me and should be a Good Resistance Leader for Episode 9. The Resistance subplot vs First Order worked fine for me as that was the one thing that didn't bother me on first viewing. Although Laura Dern's character still annoyed me, as she was just the wrong actress for SW, IMO.
The one thing I liked on my first viewing was Rey/Kylo Ren scenes and they worked just as well on 2nd viewing. The whole atmosphere of Luke's island was eerie and chilling and it reflected the tone of the first half of the movie.
The death of Snoke didn't bother me as much this time since I was expecting it as he was the one character from TFA that just didn't work for me. I was never in the 'Darth Plaguis' crowd, so his death doesn't anger me as much as it did on first viewing.
I see a theme for this trilogy as it is more about Light/Dark through Rey/Kylo Ren and I HOPE that JJ really focuses on this for Episode 9 and not cop out and get worried about revisiting Rey's heritage and whether Snoke is dead. I still think the 1-6 story has a tighter narrative, but if JJ can stick the landing with the Light/Dark theme then the 1-9 story may work from a certain point of view.
And the Luke/Leia reunion really hit me hard especially since Carrie Fisher passed away as that scene carries much more weight now. I'm still not stoked for Episode 9 the way I was for ROTJ in 1983 or ROTS in 2005 because I don't know where they are going with the movie? Maybe it's a good thing that we don't have any expectations to build up like we did before and won't have any preconceived notions of what will happen.
03-28-18, 10:29 AM
#2514
DVD Talk Special Edition
03-28-18, 10:35 AM
#2515
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Thanks. I know I bitched and moaned here for 3 months but I always wanted to be challenged by you guys. We're all diehard fans of the franchise, so I wanted to know what I was missing from this movie that was working for everyone? I'm actually going to get the novel this weekend, as I'm interested to see how they flesh out many of the scenes from the movie. I've stayed away from the Novel spoilers and Deleted Scenes spoilers as I'll catch up with them over the weekend.
03-28-18, 10:50 AM
#2516
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
03-28-18, 10:59 AM
#2517
Banned by request
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Thanks. I know I bitched and moaned here for 3 months but I always wanted to be challenged by you guys. We're all diehard fans of the franchise, so I wanted to know what I was missing from this movie that was working for everyone? I'm actually going to get the novel this weekend, as I'm interested to see how they flesh out many of the scenes from the movie. I've stayed away from the Novel spoilers and Deleted Scenes spoilers as I'll catch up with them over the weekend.
03-28-18, 12:29 PM
#2519
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Okay, so folks wondering why Disney has no issues letting Rian Johnson continue to play in the Star Wars Universe sandbox, Deadline reports that TLJ most likely will clear over 400 million in profit for Disney. So it is not an issue that it did not get close to out-grossing The Force Awakens.
I guess Harrison Ford was paid enough to buy a small country to star in TFA because the amount of profit TLJ cleared for Disney despite grossing around 700 million less world wide is pretty jaw droppingly impressive. I eagerly look forward to my second viewing when I get around to picking up the 4K.
I guess Harrison Ford was paid enough to buy a small country to star in TFA because the amount of profit TLJ cleared for Disney despite grossing around 700 million less world wide is pretty jaw droppingly impressive. I eagerly look forward to my second viewing when I get around to picking up the 4K.
03-28-18, 12:47 PM
#2520
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I think Rian Johnson just works really well with others - and it helps that he can write and direct as well.
03-28-18, 01:34 PM
#2522
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
cungar posted this in the other forum and the first thing I thought of seeing it was this thread...
Some of us were disappointed in the movie, some people enjoyed it. Can we move on to bitching about the Solo movie and stop beating this horse?
Some of us were disappointed in the movie, some people enjoyed it. Can we move on to bitching about the Solo movie and stop beating this horse?
03-28-18, 03:08 PM
#2523
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Thanks. I know I bitched and moaned here for 3 months but I always wanted to be challenged by you guys. We're all diehard fans of the franchise, so I wanted to know what I was missing from this movie that was working for everyone? I'm actually going to get the novel this weekend, as I'm interested to see how they flesh out many of the scenes from the movie. I've stayed away from the Novel spoilers and Deleted Scenes spoilers as I'll catch up with them over the weekend.
03-28-18, 03:09 PM
#2524
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
How’s this for compelling,,,,
(Rian Johnson's script)
And...
(Rian Johnson's script)
And...
(Rian Johnson's script)
Not compelling enough? Wait, there’s more...
(Rian Johnson's script)
Or this...
(Rian Johnson's script)
Should I keep going?
I’m a fan of good writing, especially ones that depict realistic “villains”...
You might not like it, but to say it’s not compelling or rich is not seeing the forest for through the trees.
“We’re not going to win this war by killing the ones we hate, but saving the ones we love.”
(Rian Johnson's script)
And...
(Rian Johnson's script)
And...
(Rian Johnson's script)
Not compelling enough? Wait, there’s more...
(Rian Johnson's script)
Or this...
(Rian Johnson's script)
Should I keep going?
I’m a fan of good writing, especially ones that depict realistic “villains”...
You might not like it, but to say it’s not compelling or rich is not seeing the forest for through the trees.
“We’re not going to win this war by killing the ones we hate, but saving the ones we love.”
With all this compelling and rich dialogue and multi-leveled, rich and compelling characterization topped off with an incredibly intricate and thought-provoking script why wasn't Rian Johnson nominated for (at the very least) a best screenwriting Oscar? What's wrong with the Academy? (Christ. Logan got a screenwriting nom this year. And Star Wars got a screenwriting nom back in 1978.)
Can't these voting members see the forest for the trees?
Let's see how it does at the 44th Saturn Awards this year. And next year's Golden Globes (which it wasn't in contention for this year.) Make me a believer!
03-28-18, 03:34 PM
#2525
Banned by request
Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (R. Johnson, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
So awards will make you respect the movie? Or could it be you’re just looking for another avenue to attack it? Hmmm