Dr. Doom - News, Rumors, etc.
07-21-17 | 08:28 PM
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Yeah. They'll keep making shitty Fantastic Four movies that bomb at the box office and lose money just to spite Marvel. It's really fucking insane.
I don't know if they're pissed because Disney bought Star Wars out from under them or what, and hanging onto the Marvel properties they have is the only way to get back at them.
I can understand keeping the X-Men because they've managed to turn that into a hit franchise, but the FF is another story.
I don't know if they're pissed because Disney bought Star Wars out from under them or what, and hanging onto the Marvel properties they have is the only way to get back at them.
I can understand keeping the X-Men because they've managed to turn that into a hit franchise, but the FF is another story.
07-21-17 | 09:05 PM
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Yes and nobody outside of those that are privy of the contract knows the exact number of years. However, it could be similar to Daredevil, in which it was part of Fox and went back to Marvel after 7 years of inactivity.
07-21-17 | 11:35 PM
#28
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That's the sole resson the legendarily awful unreleased Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie exists, it was put into rush production and made on the cheap because the rights were about to expire. The movie was never intended to be released, but they had to make a movie to hold onto the movie rights.
07-22-17 | 01:12 AM
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Made me a Dr Doom fan. If they could take some elements from that series I can see a solo Dr Doom film being good.
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07-22-17 | 01:52 AM
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Yeah. They'll keep making shitty Fantastic Four movies that bomb at the box office and lose money just to spite Marvel. It's really fucking insane.
I don't know if they're pissed because Disney bought Star Wars out from under them or what, and hanging onto the Marvel properties they have is the only way to get back at them.
I can understand keeping the X-Men because they've managed to turn that into a hit franchise, but the FF is another story.
I don't know if they're pissed because Disney bought Star Wars out from under them or what, and hanging onto the Marvel properties they have is the only way to get back at them.
I can understand keeping the X-Men because they've managed to turn that into a hit franchise, but the FF is another story.
07-22-17 | 10:35 AM
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The odd thing is though there's been some cooperation between Disney and Fox seemingly. They've traded some characters in a couple films and it's my understanding that Fox had to go through Disney to develop Legion. I don't know why Fox seems so intent on keeping the Fantastic Four really. They aren't doing anything good with the property anyways and the films aren't successful. X-Men at least they've had success with and as much as I'd like to see them brought into the MCU fold they really can work on their own and don't necessarily have to be part of the MCU. I feel like Fantastic Four on their own just don't benefit and if it's already flopped four times at what point do they just decide it isn't worth it? I really thought after the disastrous Trank film that they'd just give it up.
I remember reading an article back in the 90s about the music industry. They talked about superstar bands/artists signing these outlandish deals that were almost guaranteed to lose the label money. But the logic was that by holding onto these bands, they were preventing other labels from making money off of them and gaining a greater market share.
07-22-17 | 11:48 AM
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Yeah, but even so they aren't benefiting either. The options they seem to have are: keep making films with this franchise they don't have a clue about, make those films critical flops and that audiences have no interest in so make little money or potentially lose money or work with Disney and take a smaller profit while sharing in on a small piece of the MCU which is still going strong. If I were a Fox executive the decision seems pretty clear.
07-22-17 | 11:57 AM
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He problem is, Disney will no doubt use the FF or related characters in a successful way if they get the characters back. Then someone on the Fox board will say "Disney made a successful film with a character we had the rights to. Why didn't we make that movie?"
And then a Fox exec will be fired/forced to resign. So it all comes down to protecting their job.
And then a Fox exec will be fired/forced to resign. So it all comes down to protecting their job.
07-22-17 | 12:35 PM
#34
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Are those same executives keeping their jobs by giving the green light to shitty films like Trank's movie?
07-22-17 | 12:58 PM
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People like Ike Perlmutter and Carl Icahn don't give a rat's ass about properly exploiting a rich IP. As long as they don't tank the house brand entirely, they get to indulge in all the personal animus they want (Icahn is a Trump buddy which should tell you something).
07-22-17 | 04:51 PM
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Yeah, but even so they aren't benefiting either. The options they seem to have are: keep making films with this franchise they don't have a clue about, make those films critical flops and that audiences have no interest in so make little money or potentially lose money or work with Disney and take a smaller profit while sharing in on a small piece of the MCU which is still going strong. If I were a Fox executive the decision seems pretty clear.
The rights to F.F. are an asset that increases the value of Fox as a company and can increase stock price, even if they don't make an F.F. movie.
07-23-17 | 02:43 PM
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They need to skip any Doom origin stuff. We've gotten that twice and they screwed it up both times. Start with Doom as the ruler of Latveria, already wearing the mask and fill in any blanks that are needed as they go.
That way you can also bypass any dumb "Normal guy with the name Von Doom" stuff. Start with him as a badass and get right to the good stuff.
That way you can also bypass any dumb "Normal guy with the name Von Doom" stuff. Start with him as a badass and get right to the good stuff.
I think the entire Fantastic Four universe is now caught in an endless loop of limited budgets, when it's the one comic book property that actually needs a huge budget for proper translation.
Knowing how Hollywood operates, I would give Michael Bay the entire franchise and let him turn it into a dumb, loud action movie like his Transformers. They wouldn't be great movies but it has to be better than what we've been getting.
07-23-17 | 06:39 PM
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Star Wars (what the kids these days know as A New Hope) didn't need to flash back to Vader getting burned by lava. In fact, that bit of pre history never even came up.
And for some weird reason, no one of my generation ever had a problem with not being told exactly why Vader wore that get up.
This isn't going to be Nolan trying to ground everything with logic and then just ignoring the stuff that crops up that can't possibly hew to that. It's going to rife with fantastical stuff (or at least it should be).
It's ok to let the audience infer things on their own. In fact, that might be a lost art worth re-exploring.
And for some weird reason, no one of my generation ever had a problem with not being told exactly why Vader wore that get up.
This isn't going to be Nolan trying to ground everything with logic and then just ignoring the stuff that crops up that can't possibly hew to that. It's going to rife with fantastical stuff (or at least it should be).
It's ok to let the audience infer things on their own. In fact, that might be a lost art worth re-exploring.
07-24-17 | 05:30 AM
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I quit reading comics 20 years ago. Have they shown Doom's disfigured face full out yet?
Doom differs from Vader in that he blames Richards for the accident that disfigured him. It's a major part of the Doom/F.F. mythology. Also Doom has a persecution complex. A lot of what he does is to get back at a world that he feels has wrong him. A world that would shun him because of his face. He's like Trump, blames everybody else for his problems except himself.
Doom differs from Vader in that he blames Richards for the accident that disfigured him. It's a major part of the Doom/F.F. mythology. Also Doom has a persecution complex. A lot of what he does is to get back at a world that he feels has wrong him. A world that would shun him because of his face. He's like Trump, blames everybody else for his problems except himself.
07-24-17 | 06:56 AM
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I quit reading comics 20 years ago. Have they shown Doom's disfigured face full out yet?
Doom differs from Vader in that he blames Richards for the accident that disfigured him. It's a major part of the Doom/F.F. mythology. Also Doom has a persecution complex. A lot of what he does is to get back at a world that he feels has wrong him. A world that would shun him because of his face. He's like Trump, blames everybody else for his problems except himself.
Doom differs from Vader in that he blames Richards for the accident that disfigured him. It's a major part of the Doom/F.F. mythology. Also Doom has a persecution complex. A lot of what he does is to get back at a world that he feels has wrong him. A world that would shun him because of his face. He's like Trump, blames everybody else for his problems except himself.
07-24-17 | 09:57 AM
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I can envision a really cool Dr Doom movie.
In fact, this would also be the smartest way to reboot FF yet again- just make them tangential to Dooms story.
Lot of interesting ways to go with Doom though- geopolitical conflict/ Game of Thrones style political infighting/ the mixing of science and sorcery...
Lots of potential here.
In fact, this would also be the smartest way to reboot FF yet again- just make them tangential to Dooms story.
Lot of interesting ways to go with Doom though- geopolitical conflict/ Game of Thrones style political infighting/ the mixing of science and sorcery...
Lots of potential here.
Movie from Doctor Doom's point of view as a misunderstood hero where he sees all the "heroes" as villains. Needs to be set in the MCU of course.
07-24-17 | 03:35 PM
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07-24-17 | 03:52 PM
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Dr. Doom! The Musical...
07-24-17 | 06:47 PM
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I still think they are playing chicken with Disney/Marvel and trying to get a deal going with them before the rights eventually expire or they lose even more money. A Fox branded Doom movie is going to be a failure quite possibly larger than the last FF.
The only way most of the public would care at this point is if they bring Reynolds in as Deadpool to do MS3000 commentary during the entire thing.
The only way most of the public would care at this point is if they bring Reynolds in as Deadpool to do MS3000 commentary during the entire thing.
07-24-17 | 09:02 PM
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I would hope that's what they do.
03-12-19 | 07:53 PM
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During his featured session at SXSW, Noah Hawley shared some updates on the Doctor Doom movie that he first announced in 2017 at Comic-Con. Good news: the script is finished so we know it’s in the works. Bad news: the impending takeover of Fox by Disney has put it on hold.
Fox owns rights to the Fantastic Four series, in which Doctor. Doom is a character. Recently, Hawley said, he met with Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige, who asked him if he was still working on Doctor Doom. Hawley told Feige he should read it, but he said Feige has not called him back about the script.
“I would love to make it,” Hawley said. “Marvel, they’ve got a 25,000-year plan. I just don’t know if I fit into there.”
As for details about the script, Hawley spilled some beans. The story would take place in Doctor Doom’s country of Latveria and be a “kind of Cold War, geopolitical movie.” After 10 years of mostly isolation, Doom would invite a female journalist to go in and share Doom’s message to the world.
“Is he a good person or bad person?” Hawley said. “We don’t know anything about him.”
Fox owns rights to the Fantastic Four series, in which Doctor. Doom is a character. Recently, Hawley said, he met with Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige, who asked him if he was still working on Doctor Doom. Hawley told Feige he should read it, but he said Feige has not called him back about the script.
“I would love to make it,” Hawley said. “Marvel, they’ve got a 25,000-year plan. I just don’t know if I fit into there.”
As for details about the script, Hawley spilled some beans. The story would take place in Doctor Doom’s country of Latveria and be a “kind of Cold War, geopolitical movie.” After 10 years of mostly isolation, Doom would invite a female journalist to go in and share Doom’s message to the world.
“Is he a good person or bad person?” Hawley said. “We don’t know anything about him.”
03-12-19 | 11:24 PM
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The movie needs to be set in the MCU rather than the Fox Marvel Universe(?).
If it remains in the Fox universe then they'll have to do another F4 refresh first otherwise it won't make any sense. If they use only X-Men characters it will make even less sense.
03-13-19 | 04:56 PM
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Doctor Doom, a genius sorcerer who wears a mask to cover up his disfigured face, has appeared on the big screen before. Julian McMahon played the villain in the 2005 and 2007 films, while Toby Kebbell took on the role in the 2015 reboot.
Wait what?
Sorcerer?
when was he a sorcerer?
03-13-19 | 06:54 PM
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In the comics he was as much a technical genius as Reed Richards and also as much of a sorcerer as Dr. Strange. The soul of his mother was in eternal damnation with the demon Mephisto and so Doom was always trying to find a way to rescue her. Hence his delving into sorcery.