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anomynous 05-12-16 05:06 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 
Highlander 2 :(

B5Erik 05-12-16 05:26 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by movieguru (Post 12799469)
but they're all semi-reboots and sequels per the op's question.

The only Bond reboot has been Casino Royale.

Maz Kanata 05-12-16 06:27 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by nando820 (Post 12800014)
Star Wars - The Force Awakens ?


No.

Michael Corvin 05-12-16 08:36 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 
Why not? It's clearly a sequel and after the prequels, clone wars and last 15 years of PT era Star Wars, it's kind of a reboot as well.

Maz Kanata 05-13-16 12:24 AM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 
It is in no way a reboot. It's a sequel to Return of the Jedi.

DJariya 05-13-16 01:25 AM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by anomynous (Post 12800353)
Highlander 2 :(

Which version? The one where they fucked up the storyline and made Connor McLeod into an Alien instead of immortal?

rw2516 05-13-16 07:26 AM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by Maz Kanata (Post 12800753)
It is in no way a reboot. It's a sequel to Return of the Jedi.

It's a reboot in the sense that's it's a changing of the guard. The old characters are being phased out, passing the baton to a new group of main characters.
Not unlike Star Trek: Generations which ended TOS crew moving full time to TNG crew.

B5Erik 05-13-16 08:48 AM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by rw2516 (Post 12800851)
It's a reboot in the sense that's it's a changing of the guard. The old characters are being phased out, passing the baton to a new group of main characters.
Not unlike Star Trek: Generations which ended TOS crew moving full time to TNG crew.

That's not a reboot. A reboot involves recasting the existing roles and restarting the series altogether.

Dr. Mantle 05-13-16 11:29 AM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 
Star Trek has to be the best answer here. Unlike every other reboot (probably) ever, it's not a do over. It's just a new timeline.

GoldenJCJ 05-13-16 01:15 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by majorjoe23 (Post 12799514)
X-Men: Days of Future Past.

Wouldn't it be X-Men: First Class? Days of Future Past seems like a direct sequel to First Class whereas First Class comes off as more of a reboot/sequel.

Hailey G 05-13-16 01:37 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 
Well First Class was originally intended to be a prequel, and for the most part it was, some minor continuity issues aside. While DOFP was certainly a direct sequel to First Class, it also firmly rebooted the old continuity.

Maz Kanata 05-13-16 01:50 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by rw2516 (Post 12800851)
It's a reboot in the sense that's it's a changing of the guard. The old characters are being phased out, passing the baton to a new group of main characters.
Not unlike Star Trek: Generations which ended TOS crew moving full time to TNG crew.


It's not a changing of the guard, it's a continuation of the Skywalker story. Naturally characters are going to change with a decades-long and counting storyline. Generations was a "passing of the torch" film but that doesn't make it a reboot either. Your definition of the term is skewed.

anomynous 05-14-16 09:41 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 12800782)
Which version? The one where they fucked up the storyline and made Connor McLeod into an Alien instead of immortal?

yes

Shannon Nutt 05-14-16 09:59 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 
Just for the record, the following are NOT sequels (they're reboots that are semi-sequels..the OPPOSITE of what the OP asked about):

Star Trek (2009)
Creed


The Force Awakens is definitely a sequel that also serves as a semi-reboot.

Shannon Nutt 05-14-16 10:02 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by Dr. Mantle (Post 12801086)
Star Trek has to be the best answer here. Unlike every other reboot (probably) ever, it's not a do over. It's just a new timeline.

But it's NOT a sequel...you're misunderstanding the OP's question. He's talking about direct sequels that also offered fresh characters/ideas that re-launched a "stale" series in new ways. Star Trek (2009) was a reboot that also tied in to the old story...total opposite of what the OP meant (I think!).

movieguru 05-14-16 10:09 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by Guru Askew (Post 12799519)
Bond did age for 23 years. So did Moneypenny and Q and M. And then when they recast a substantially younger Bond they didn't even refer to the fact and made Bond one of many characters throughout the history of fiction that don't age in real time. The Living Daylights also has the Gogol and Keane characters that were otherwise exclusively used in the Moore films and that's on top of the obvious fact that it also had the same Q and M. How any of this pertains to reboots is beyond me.

I'll give you this though: had this thread been a trivia contest about the first Bond film starring each EON Bond actor you woulda passed with flying colors.

If you're going to argue this, then we need a clear definition of what a "semi-reboot" is. Many of the movies others are mentioning are also just continuations (sequels) and not really reboots.

bluetoast 05-14-16 10:12 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt (Post 12802160)
Just for the record, the following are NOT sequels (they're reboots that are semi-sequels..the OPPOSITE of what the OP asked about):

Star Trek (2009)
Creed


The Force Awakens is definitely a sequel that also serves as a semi-reboot.

Creed - I wouldn't say it's a reboot at all. I agree it's not a sequel, but another story in Rocky's world, where he's a supporting member.

Michael Corvin 05-14-16 10:14 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by B5Erik (Post 12800906)
That's not a reboot. A reboot involves recasting the existing roles and restarting the series altogether.

I disagree.

A reboot can also be a simple change of direction. The only Star Wars that has existed for the last 17 years has been Anakin Skywalker and the Clone Wars. Disney killed the Clone Wars and all but abandoned that time period in an effort to effectively reboot the franchise.

Mike86 05-14-16 10:39 PM

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I don't see The Force Awakens as a reboot. It's a new story in the Star Wars universe and a sequel to Return of the Jedi. Disney isn't placing as much emphasis on the Prequel Trilogy but they haven't wrote it out of existence in the continuity. Frankly I don't see Creed as a true reboot either. It's still in the Rocky universe of films and is following events and characters previously known while introducing a new character.

To me a reboot is a previously existing franchise that's telling a new story with new actors. Something like Batman Begins is a good example.

B5Erik 05-14-16 10:54 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 12802170)
I disagree.

A reboot can also be a simple change of direction. The only Star Wars that has existed for the last 17 years has been Anakin Skywalker and the Clone Wars. Disney killed the Clone Wars and all but abandoned that time period in an effort to effectively reboot the franchise.

Nope. A reboot indicates an erasing or ignoring of the previous movies. Such as Casino Royale. The previous Bond movies were in a completely different continuity - one that did not exist in Casino Royale's world.

On the other hand, Sean Connery's Bond went after revenge for Blofeld killing his (Lazenby's) wife in the previous movie. And Roger Moore's Bond visited his wife's grave (again, Lazenby was the one portraying Bond as he got married and was suddenly widowed in the same day) and it was clearly HIS wife as he had a pained, regretful look on his face as he put flowers on her grave. Timothy Dalton's Bond was still not over the death of his wife (again, referring back to Lazenby's movie) when Felix's new bride brought up the issue of Bond getting married someday (and Tracy's death was still a raw nerve for him, so much so that when Della is killed on her wedding day to Felix Bond completely loses it and goes after revege - again - regardless of losing his job, his life, or whatever the consequences were). It is clearly the same character who has gone through the same events.

Until Casino Royale.

That' a reboot. It ignores/deletes/erases the previous movies from it's cinematic universe. It's starting over by losing the history.

movieguru 05-14-16 11:22 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by B5Erik (Post 12802190)
Nope. A reboot indicates an erasing or ignoring of the previous movies. Such as Casino Royale. The previous Bond movies were in a completely different continuity - one that did not exist in Casino Royale's world.

On the other hand, Sean Connery's Bond went after revenge for Blofeld killing his (Lazenby's) wife in the previous movie. And Roger Moore's Bond visited his wife's grave (again, Lazenby was the one portraying Bond as he got married and was suddenly widowed in the same day) and it was clearly HIS wife as he had a pained, regretful look on his face as he put flowers on her grave. Timothy Dalton's Bond was still not over the death of his wife (again, referring back to Lazenby's movie) when Felix's new bride brought up the issue of Bond getting married someday (and Tracy's death was still a raw nerve for him, so much so that when Della is killed on her wedding day to Felix Bond completely loses it and goes after revege - again - regardless of losing his job, his life, or whatever the consequences were). It is clearly the same character who has gone through the same events.

Until Casino Royale.

That' a reboot. It ignores/deletes/erases the previous movies from it's cinematic universe. It's starting over by losing the history.

But the Op is asking about a "semi-reboot", as opposed to a "reboot"

B5Erik 05-14-16 11:44 PM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by movieguru (Post 12802211)
But the Op is asking about a "semi-reboot", as opposed to a "reboot"

And that's fine - but there was also a question as to what constituted a true Reboot. A change in direction isn't a reboot. A change in actors isn't a reboot.

A semi-reboot or a soft reboot isn't really a reboot, but it is that change in direction or change in characters or actors without losing continuity.

The Pierce Brosnan era of the Bond movies could have been seen as a soft reboot. He was supposed to be the same character with the same history, but they just didn't talk about it. And then he got a new female M and a new, more empowered Moneypenny - but it was still supposed to be the same guy with the same history. Sort of. Craig's Bond in CR was totally different. None of the stuff that happened before was part of his life. He was never a spy during the Cold War. It was a fairly major change, and a RESTARTING of the whole series.

But none of this gets as complicated as the Godzilla series. It was rebooted with Godzilla 1985, and again with Godzilla 2000. But the millennium series for Big G featured no fewer than 4 reboots out of the 6 movies in that era! And they were fairly hard reboots, too!

Sub-Zero 05-15-16 12:15 AM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 
Thanks for all of the replies. And I apologize about any confusion by what I meant by a "semi-reboot." As others have stated, by semi-reboot I meant the start of a new series with new characters and a new direction in the story, but that also keeps a couple of the older characters and takes place in the series's already established continuity.

B5Erik 05-15-16 12:32 AM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by Sub-Zero (Post 12802236)
Thanks for all of the replies. And I apologize about any confusion by what I meant by a "semi-reboot." As others have stated, by semi-reboot I meant the start of a new series with new characters and a new direction in the story, but that also keeps a couple of the older characters and takes place in the series's already established continuity.

In TV terms - a spinoff, more or less. ;)

movieguru 05-15-16 03:28 AM

Re: Sequels that are also a semi-reboot?
 

Originally Posted by Sub-Zero (Post 12802236)
Thanks for all of the replies. And I apologize about any confusion by what I meant by a "semi-reboot." As others have stated, by semi-reboot I meant the start of a new series with new characters and a new direction in the story, but that also keeps a couple of the older characters and takes place in the series's already established continuity.

If going by this terminology than I would go with:
Star Trek: Generations
Star Trek (2009)
Star Wars: Phantom Menace
Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Creed
U.S. Marshals (was intended as a series but never took off)
Shaft


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