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Stuff like this:When you cherry pick a moment from the universally enjoyed classic film and say "It's not that great after all" and then you say some moment in this new film (that you haven't seen) is a better joke. It drives me crazy.

Here's my impression of you in 1996: "That airplane in the beginning of Casablanca looked pretty fake. I'm sure the effects in Barb Wire are going to be MUCH better than that, so stop trashing Barb Wire everybody."

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Show me an equivalent thread, where a joke about jock straps (or similar) was made after a movie featuring a mostly-male cast of characters was announced.

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[QUOTEI call bullshit on this story. It was actually believable until the mom and the kid went on to discuss the quality of the new movie.

And for what it's worth, I am the proud owner of the LEGO Firehouse. It's a huge fucking thing but there's still gonna be plenty of room for the 2016 Ecto-1 on my shelf along with its 1984 counterpart.][/QUOTE]

Just like I call bullshit on your story about how everyone cracked up at the trailer at your Civil War showing. The only difference being that I haven't defended this movie against literally every criticism that someone has thrown at it like you have. The only difference is I have more credibility than you do and my story actually happened.

Seriously dude? Every chance you get to criticize the jokes in the original when someone criticizes the new one you do. The only difference is the original is a classic that has stood the test of time and this one is not looking to follow suit.

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I imagine the Magic Mike thread. I don't know.

EDIT: Here's a gem, "I think it will be a well balanced movie. Man ass and peen shots for the women and gay men, oliva munn boobies for the straight men."

Some others:
"I cannot wait to throw my money at this movie this weekend." That is so demeaning to their career choice!

"I can't believe we are two dudes arguing about the significance of Magic Mike."

There's this comment about the Bluray multipack: "+ 6-pack??? Beer or Abs?"

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Here is a highlight of this forum's reaction to announcement of the male cast of The Expendables:

"Not many movies contain so much Awesome."
"Oh man thats pure man movie right there!"
"this could be the manliest, biggest, most bad-fucking-ass testosterone overdrive this side of a Commando/Uncommon Valor/Extreme Prejudice triple feature"
"I'm in."
"Can't wait."
"sounds good."
"I'm all in."
"The poster should have a warning: 'Not recommended for pussies.'"
"This like a movie based on Testosterone. No Vaginas allowed to see this flick for sure..."
"This movie's going to be insane."

This all from the first page, with only a brief description of plot.

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/movie-talk/...pendables.html

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...and why is that a problem?

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Oh, and here's the Magic Mike thread. Most of the comments are about the horny female audience and Olivia Munn's nipples: http://forum.dvdtalk.com/movie-talk/...ughey-etc.html

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Again, the problem most people had with this Ghostbusters movie was that it seemed like a gimmick. You take a movie with four male leads and suddenly decide to do a reboot with four females. That's a gimmick. It be no different if we got a 21 Jumpstreet sequel with two female leads or a MIB movie with 2 female leads. Hell the Expendables was obviously a gimmick, and by the same token so was the Expendabelles before that thankfully died.

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Go back and re-read my post, I've edited it.

Here it is: I'm not sure what you are argueing here Groucho. This forum is full of jokers. You yourself are one of the most legendary of them. When it comes to Magic Mike people made stripper jokes, when it comes to Ghostbusters 2016 someone made an undergarment joke. The Expendables generated a meme of epic proportions where people picked on Stallone. That thing where he was flying through the air. People make jokes.

Here's Sly:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...10_468x319.jpg

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It didn't pass my bullshit detector, believing it would also involve you following a mother and her small child around eavesdropping on their conversation, so maybe if I knew you better it would be more believable.

Wow.

Pointing out that a "joke" in which Dan Aykroyd makes a goofy face and has his pants undone by a piece of fishing line is no more clever or intellectual than a joke in the trailer isn't denigrating the film. It's just calling someone on their bullshit. Ghostbusters isn't exactly high-brow humor. It has sex jokes. Jokes about snot. The sequel has a joke about fucking a toaster and at least one poop joke, and suggesting Wiig's line is insulting to those originals is bullshit. If Murray uttered that line after he got slimed nobody would think twice about it.

I'm a life-long Ghostbusters fan, there isn't an entertainment property I love more. I doubt anyone here could beat me in a Ghostbusters nerd-off, I'm almost certain my Ghostbusters dick is bigger than yours. That doesn't mean I can't point to an example of crude, ineffective humor in it to call you out on your bullshit.

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Wow, I am actually flabbergasted. I never then, nor now, have said the movie is bad. On YouTube I gave the trailer a :up: I just made an observational joke over the cast being all female. Obviously, not a very good joke. I was always in the "wait and see" camp.

No one has ever gave two shits about what I say and when it now happens, it was taken way out of context. So, to make it official:

I think a reboot is a mistake. Period. Regardless of cast.

I thought the trailer was okay. Just okay.

Individually, I like 3 out of 4 of the actresses.

Generally, I like Paul Feig movies.

I don't think the movie will turn out as bad as people think.

There. Now I don't have to post until after the movie is released.

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I hear you. You're entitled to your opinion. It's when you do it to prop up this new film, that you haven't seen, that I get annoyed.

You seem to love Ghostbusters in spite of its flaws, my argument earlier was that whatever perceived flaws you may see are irrelevant at this point. Thirty years of popularity and enjoyment pretty much put the film above any effort to criticize it.

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I haven't seen the movie but we've all seen the joke in question, and holding it up as an example of something disrespectful to the original is, again, bullshit.

Harold Ramis directed Bedazzled which was a remake. Ivan Reitman directed Father's Day which was a remake. Dan Aykroyd has written and/or appeared in more than one, including Dragnet which was a remake of a TV show. They all have projects with low-brow humor that would rival anything seen in the trailer. And that's not to mention all the movies they've made that are just simply shitty regardless. Even Murray, in spite of his reputation for carefully choosing roles.

When you nitpick the trailer, ask yourself if the creators of the original are guilty of the same things. That's not denigration. That's just using reason. It's common sense. Hold the creators of the original movie to the same standards you hold Paul Feig and you'll find that the overwhelming majority of your nitpicky bullshit criticisms fall away.

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My point isn't to call anybody out, it's to show that as a forum our reaction to male casting is to judge the actors on their merits but for female casting it's to reduce the actors to their gender. There was a rush to judgement against this film long before the trailer was released, and a clear established pattern.

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...except when it's Magic Mike then everyone makes dick jokes and dismissive stripper jokes.

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I don't nitpick the trailer, but if I did I'd suspect Feig and his cast of having made a film filled with many of these "same things". This is definitely a Dragnet, Father's Day, Bedazzled situation.

Or maybe just as he failed to see what is great about Ghostbusters, Feig also failed to learn any lessons from that team's creative failures (ie, remakes usually suck!).

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We should just lock this thread and never discuss Ghostbusters again.

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Wasn't some of the rush to judgment validated by the Sony leak and revelations about shutting out Reitman, the original plan for this movie, suing Bill Murray, etc.?

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To be fair, this isn't a sequel (barring fan theories of course).

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Who knew a thread for a trailer would get this much action

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There's also the fact that a filmmaker would be applauded for tackling a challenging project under any other circumstances, and also that the alternative is phoning in a by-the-numbers rehash of your prior successes.

But hey, lady Ghostbusters, am I right?

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Nobody's saying it is. The problem is the double standard when the genders are reversed. To wit:

A movie with four dudes = totally normal

A movie with four chicks = pandering trash

If the remake is a gimmick, so was the original. But for a certain segment of the male audience, gimmicks are only bad when they're aimed at a different demographic.

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I argued enough in the previous thread, but I still think it's a gimmick. Calling it a gimmick isn't itself bad, negative, sexist, or whatever, although many seem to want to take it that way. I think a lot of things in movies are gimmicks - crossovers, remakes, reboots, stunt casting, whatever.

It just seems to me given all the failed starts on a 3rd movie in the franchise that there was a very specific aim to gender swap in a remake with particular people involved to make the film and attract a particular audience.

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No, it's just MUCH less likely (an all woman Ghostbuster team). Lugging around big, heavy proton packs and engaging in a lot of physical activity is hard enough for a man, but for a woman? (And don't give me that, "Sexist," crap - women are significantly physically smaller and weaker than men on the average - that's just a measurable fact, not a value judgment, so the idea of an all woman Ghostbusting team lugging those proton packs around IS just a gimmick. The odds are pretty low for finding three women who are both scientists AND physically big and strong enough to handle those packs for any extended length of time, and then even if they were 3 female scientists who COULD handle the physical requirements why they wouldn't want a bigger, stronger man around (like a Winston) to handle some of the heavy lifting as the 4th member goes against practicality and logic.)

And that's why the all woman Ghostbuster team is a gimmick. Yes, I know Ghostbusters is a comedy, and yes I know it isn't meant to be realistic, but there are some things that take an audience out of a movie and make them shake their heads in disbelief, even with comedies.

Then you throw in a crappy trailer that makes the movie look awful and you get a lot of people really down on this movie.

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Peppering your sexist tirade with "I'm not sexist but..." doesn't make it non-sexist.

Also: of all the male Ghostbusters you'd have lugging their gear like a caddy you pick Winston. Nice.

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Yeah. I saw that too. Oooh. Not starting well there.

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Way to be so painfully PC. State facts (men are bigger and stronger than women on average), and get called sexist. That's pathetic.

I picked the ONE NON-SCIENTIST to compare the ONE NON-SCIENTIST role to.

Wow. How nefarious of me. Use logic, have veiled accusations lobbed your way.

Again, pathetic.

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There's nothing "PC" about calling you out on your insane theory that women can't wear backpacks, friend.

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Just close this thread again or move to politics.

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You're right. There's no way in hell you can find women who are as physically fit as the original team. I mean, Kate McKinnon and Kristen Wiig as strong as those hunks of manly man meat that are Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray?



Inconceivable!

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I just hope they do a good digital wire removal job since the dainty lady stars of the movie were apparently physically incapable of wearing proton packs which obviously suggests some kind of elaborate wire/crane rig. They've sure done an adequate job of perpetuating the illusion of ladies wearing proton packs in the officially-released promo but I'll be the first to admit that Sony isn't gonna use the countless hours of footage they undoubtedly have of the cast struggling to get off the ground like a turtle on its back when they're cutting trailers, etc.

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:lol: of all the ridiculous arguments in this thread, "women can't wear backpacks" is by far the most entertainingly absurd. :up:

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I'm willing to bet this thread will be more entertaining than the film.

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There's no chance that this movie will be as entertaining as reactions to it.

Edit: Damn, I guess I owe Leacha a Coke.

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Who said they can't? I'm just saying it's unrealistic to expect that three women who are scientists are also physically fit enough to handle 40 pound packs on their backs for extended periods of time while they're running around without getting totally gassed and sore as hell. It's a stretch with the original Ghostbusters, and they even made a joke about it in the original (when they get winded going up the stairs to take on Gozer), but men ARE bigger and stronger than women, so they, ON AVERAGE, can handle a pack like that better than women can. Could three women scientists handle it? Maybe, maybe not. But three reasonably healthy men in their 30's certainly could. Sorry if reality bothers you.

Now, if you we're talking about four female cops or military members (where physical fitness is a requirement), then I'd say, "Fine, totally believable for them to do that," but since we're talking three female scientists you're probably not talking about fitness fanatics (you could be, but look at the actresses they chose - hardly fitness freaks). Again, the fact is men are bigger and stronger than women, and could handle the proton backs better (on average).

And to make my point clear, this whole gender reversal is a gimmick - a stunt - to justify a remake. Nothing more, nothing less. It wasn't organic to the story that they HAVE to be an all women's Ghostbuster team.

And it does stretch credibility a little to say that three women scientists would all be perfectly capable of handling 40 pound proton packs on their backs for extended periods of running around. Not impossible, but pushing it. Would they even want to do it after finding out how grueling it is? Most people I know, men and women alike, don't like doing things that wear them out and make them sore for days. If they can avoid that kind of thing, they do. They certainly don't do it on a daily basis.

So if using logic, common sense, and statistical facts is sexist then we've crossed over that slippery slope.

Don't be stupid. The packs the actresses are wearing are empty shells - lightweight and easy to carry.

It is clear that some people here are so far to the left that any suggestion that men can do something physically that women can't is automatically deemed sexist - regardless of whether or not it's factually accurate.

Like I said before - the ultra PC people are pathetic.

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Luckily, technology never gets lighter over a period of 30 years.

I assume everyone else is still using a DynaTAC phone, right?

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It's hard trying to provide a reasonable opinion for not caring for the movie when others are throwing out really bad excuses :( :lol:

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So the proton packs in the trailer aren't really the ones in the movie? Because they sure didn't make them any smaller than the originals...

I really don't get why some people are hell bent on defending this movie and will pull out the, "Sexist," card and try to discredit anyone who posts anything stating that men can do something with greater ease than can women (physical stuff).

This movie has one of the worst trailers of the last 20 years and people are surprised that it's getting such harsh criticism when the entire premise is a gimmick and a stunt?

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Why do you keep adding that "scientist" caveat? What, you think scientists are all wimps? They never go backpacking or mountain climbing or anything that requires physical activity?

But we aren't talking about the average. We're talking about the Ghostbusters. And I guarantee you, there are plenty of women out there -- even ones with PhDs, who are stronger than Dan Aykroyd was in his prime.