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Old 01-01-16, 08:59 AM
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I am just glad that Chewie looked like Chewie. I never did understand what exactly they did tohis hair on ROTJ but he just never looked right to me in that film.
The same could be said of Han Solo in RotJ.

Though nothing is worse than Marty McFly's hair in the BttF sequels. It was too long compared to the original.
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Though nothing is worse than Marty McFly's hair in the BttF sequels. It was too long compared to the original.
In the midst of trying to solve problems of timelines and alternate futures he's supposed to stop at Supercuts?
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In the midst of trying to solve problems of timelines and alternate futures he's supposed to stop at Supercuts?
He would have no need to stop at Supercuts. His hair was shorter at the end of BttF compared to the beginning of Part II. Really bad continuity error if you ask me.
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Agree on Chewbacca. I forgot how much I loved that character. I thought he was used brilliantly throughout.

Amazing that George's dog helped inspire both the "great Chewbacca" and Indiana Jones.
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Question about Han's death: right after Ren/Ben stabs him what is said? I can't understand the dialog.
"Sorry, I work... Solo."

Puts on sunglasses

YEEEEAAAHHHH!
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He would have no need to stop at Supercuts. His hair was shorter at the end of BttF compared to the beginning of Part II. Really bad continuity error if you ask me.
Never noticed that... and it looks pretty hard to tell here..

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Seriously... not enough can be said for Chewie. That was the greatest bit of development for anyone. Not saying Rey and Finn weren't great cuz they were but we've had Chewie for 4 films (3 w/ actual character value and development value to a point). Just to see him react that way w/ losing Han was amazing. He fucking snapped. And he was taking everyone that he could down. Han's boy or not, Chewie wanted to kill Ren.
The absolutely best moment in the entire film. It's worth rewatching just for that.
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Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
The New York Times weighs in today with a piece on Lucas' criticism of the new film:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/mo...ef=todayspaper
didn't take him very long to detract his remarks right? Ol' George seems to have sellers remorse.
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I don't understand George's angle. And he mentions that he didn't think his "experimental" films could sustain the company, but then states he was getting ready to do the sequel trilogy himself and had the stories ready. He isn't making sense. It's sad.
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The retro comment is similarly baffling. The whole idea behind both Star Wars and Indiana Jones was that they were retro, intended to harken back to the serials of his youth.
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Originally Posted by Solid Snake
Seriously... not enough can be said for Chewie. That was the greatest bit of development for anyone. Not saying Rey and Finn weren't great cuz they were but we've had Chewie for 4 films (3 w/ actual character value and development value to a point). Just to see him react that way w/ losing Han was amazing. He fucking snapped. And he was taking everyone that he could down. Han's boy or not, Chewie wanted to kill Ren.
you know, i remember this in retrospect and yes, it was a fantastic reaction and scene by him. his expressions and mannerisms in the whole movie were great.
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He probably is regretting the 4 billion he got and wished he asked for more after seeing the new movie's returns.
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eh, George Lucas can suck it! Long live JJ.
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Troy Stiffler posed this in the pics thread in Other but I thought it deserved mention here.

Pretty funny!

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Saw this on Carrie Fisher's Twitter...

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Originally Posted by BobO'Link
The absolutely best moment in the entire film. It's worth rewatching just for that.
Originally Posted by Solid Snake
Seriously... not enough can be said for Chewie. That was the greatest bit of development for anyone. Not saying Rey and Finn weren't great cuz they were but we've had Chewie for 4 films (3 w/ actual character value and development value to a point). Just to see him react that way w/ losing Han was amazing. He fucking snapped. And he was taking everyone that he could down. Han's boy or not, Chewie wanted to kill Ren.
I though they messed this up at the end. When they returned to base did anyone else notice how Chewbacca and Leia just walked right by each other like nothing happened? Not even a sad soulful gaze between the two or a hug with Chewy howling at the sky but Leia goes on the hug it out with someone she just met?
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Never noticed that... and it looks pretty hard to tell here..
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Also, the car, windows and plants behind them are different. And Jennifer changed into a completely different person!
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I though they messed this up at the end. When they returned to base did anyone else notice how Chewbacca and Leia just walked right by each other like nothing happened? Not even a sad soulful gaze between the two or a hug with Chewy howling at the sky but Leia goes on the hug it out with someone she just met?
That takes me out of the movie every time. Granted, most of the audience is too invested in Rey's journey to notice. The scene provides some emotional closure for her character... but looking at it from Leia's perspective, it doesn't make a lick of sense. Han was the love of her life and Chewie was his closest ally for 40+ years. Forget eye contact, they just pass each other like complete strangers. What the hell?
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That has to be the most unflattering haircut for Elisabeth Shue I've ever seen. Just terrible.
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That takes me out of the movie every time. Granted, most of the audience is too invested in Rey's journey to notice. The scene provides some emotional closure for her character... but looking at it from Leia's perspective, it doesn't make a lick of sense. Han was the love of her life and Chewie was his closest ally for 40+ years. Forget eye contact, they just walks past each other like complete strangers. What the hell?
Chewing stayed with Fin and the medical team. I guess maybe Rey and Leia were having a Force moment, but Chewie is left out again.
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I don't understand George's angle. And he mentions that he didn't think his "experimental" films could sustain the company, but then states he was getting ready to do the sequel trilogy himself and had the stories ready. He isn't making sense. It's sad.
The recent interviews/comments suggested (to me) that his reported timeline went:
(1) look for partners/money to make experiments/sequels;
(2) Disney make "offer he can't refuse" to outright buy everything rather than partner;
(3) he agrees to sell;
(3.5, 4) they agree he'll consult and he turns over existing/puts down on paper ideas for the sequels;
(5) Disney read and politely reject them but casually still invite him to stay on as consultant;
(6) he EITHER reads between the lines OR acts aggrieved (perhaps rightly, or perhaps completely over-reacts) and decides/feels he's been requested to step aside completely.

And then (7) he realises he completely regrets taking the offer.

Which, if there were a theoretical caveat, an assumption or a misleading pseudo-promise that the buyout was broadly to make the films he'd thought to make... is not an unlikely regret. That's kind of the point of "offers too good to refuse" - the offer is too buy something the seller doesn't want to sell, but feels obligated to (often for a number of ancillary reasons).

[Actually, I'm reminded of Alan Moore - Watchmen, ABC/WildStorm and TLoEG/LXG/films.]

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I don't understand George's angle. And he mentions that he didn't think his "experimental" films could sustain the company, but then states he was getting ready to do the sequel trilogy himself and had the stories ready. He isn't making sense. It's sad.
I'm not saying this to be flippant, but if he had his own ideas for sequels, why sell the whole franchise? I don't mean that to be an ass, it just seems like the whole MO makes no sense.
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The retro comment is similarly baffling. The whole idea behind both Star Wars and Indiana Jones was that they were retro, intended to harken back to the serials of his youth.
Hardly baffling. It's nostalgia eating itself - making a film hearkening back twice (or thrice) over: to the series' inspirations and to the first film... which in turn hearkens back.

He's saying thag the whole shebang is rooted in early ideas, but that once it's rooted once it should grow in its own way. Indiana Jones and Kingdom of Aliens actually did that side of things reasonably well. It took the character and broad ideas and then made up its own novel story. It was just badly, badly misjudged and executed. (The execution here is (very) good - it's the being hamstrung by nostalgia mining and, judgement and novelty that he - and some viewers - are confused/saddened/disappointed/annoyed by.)
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I'm not saying this to be flippant, but if he had his own ideas for sequels, why sell the whole franchise? I don't mean that to be an ass, it just seems like the whole MO makes no sense.
They made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

I presume either Lucas approached Disney or Disney approached Lucas (or Lucas approached Fox and Fox said 'no' first), over financing or distribution, and such talks evolved into an outright offer.

There may even be a Marvel angle - if we know that Marvel were unhappy to lose the SW licence to Dark Horse, and we know someone at Disney liked Marvel enough for Disney to buy it... maybe we can assume that someone at Marvel, or Disney or both was also looking for a way to get that licence back, and it escalated into buying out Lucas..? (DC - allegedly - bought WildStorm for Jim Lee and Alan Moore... so there's a ppssible angle there.)
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Love it!

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Also, the car, windows and plants behind them are different. And Jennifer changed into a completely different person!
His watch, too. It's almost like one of those 'Find the Differences' pictures..!


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