Franchises that survived a bad sequel?
08-10-15 | 10:44 AM
#76
Re: Franchises that survived a bad sequel?
Are we watching the same movie? What about the subplot about how Marty got into the automobile accident and wrecked his hand and never learning to control his pride. He became embittered in the future timeline and still never learned to control his pride leading him to be fired. In that mindset he probably never gave his son the guidance he needed and the ability to say "no" to Griff.
I highly recommend part II. It's really worth a second look.
I highly recommend part II. It's really worth a second look.
08-10-15 | 10:47 AM
#77
Re: Franchises that survived a bad sequel?
I love the series too, but what is implied at the end of the first movie isn't really what they even end up doing. Doc implies there's something wrong with their kids, which was the throwaway joke, and when he gets there, all he really does is stand up to Biff (Griff) again. We don't really get an idea of what was wrong with the kids in the first place or how exactly they fixed it. It really only exists for some future jokes and to get the Almanac into the hands of old Biff to setup the real plot of the movie. It was a fun sequence, but I personally don't feel it fits together seamlessly.
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08-10-15 | 10:53 AM
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Re: Franchises that survived a bad sequel?
Are we watching the same movie? What about the subplot about how Marty got into the automobile accident and wrecked his hand and never learning to control his pride. He became embittered in the future timeline and still never learned to control his pride leading him to be fired. In that mindset he probably never gave his son the guidance he needed and the ability to say "no" to Griff.
I highly recommend part II. It's really worth a second look.
I highly recommend part II. It's really worth a second look.
And does the kid really learn to say No to Griff? Marty does it for him while he's unconscious. For all we know, Griff beat him up the next day.
08-10-15 | 11:02 AM
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Re: Franchises that survived a bad sequel?
Then Paul Walkers and Vin Diesel's careers didn't pan out the way they wanted it to so they got back on the F&F bandwagon. The 4th one was the real relaunch of the franchise and they moved to more of an action theme than car racing theme. Since then the movies not only did gangbusters at the box office but have been generally liked by the public.
So at the end of the day, the F&F franchise only survived their bad sequels because the main cast from the first one couldn't find good enough work anywhere else.
08-10-15 | 01:26 PM
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Re: Franchises that survived a bad sequel?
I love the series too, but what is implied at the end of the first movie isn't really what they even end up doing. Doc implies there's something wrong with their kids, which was the throwaway joke, and when he gets there, all he really does is stand up to Biff (Griff) again. We don't really get an idea of what was wrong with the kids in the first place or how exactly they fixed it. It really only exists for some future jokes and to get the Almanac into the hands of old Biff to setup the real plot of the movie. It was a fun sequence, but I personally don't feel it fits together seamlessly.
08-10-15 | 01:29 PM
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Re: Franchises that survived a bad sequel?
Huh? The kids being in trouble doesn't play a huge role in the sequel but it is resolved. Remember the headline from the newpaper Doc shows Marty about Marty Jr. being involved in a crime that landed him in jail? That's what Doc brought Marty back to resolve. I think its obvious the reason they didn't play up the kids being in trouble angle more is because they wanted to keep the film just centering mainly around Doc, Marty, and Biff.
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08-10-15 | 05:28 PM
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Re: Franchises that survived a bad sequel?
The F&F series is an interesting one. The first one was a surprise hit. Then they lost Vin Diesel and the 2nd one was a critical bust but did well enough in theaters. Then they lost Paul Walker and decided to go a different route for the 3rd one and while the movie was well received it was mostly a box office bust.
Then Paul Walkers and Vin Diesel's careers didn't pan out the way they wanted it to so they got back on the F&F bandwagon. The 4th one was the real relaunch of the franchise and they moved to more of an action theme than car racing theme. Since then the movies not only did gangbusters at the box office but have been generally liked by the public.
So at the end of the day, the F&F franchise only survived their bad sequels because the main cast from the first one couldn't find good enough work anywhere else.
Then Paul Walkers and Vin Diesel's careers didn't pan out the way they wanted it to so they got back on the F&F bandwagon. The 4th one was the real relaunch of the franchise and they moved to more of an action theme than car racing theme. Since then the movies not only did gangbusters at the box office but have been generally liked by the public.
So at the end of the day, the F&F franchise only survived their bad sequels because the main cast from the first one couldn't find good enough work anywhere else.
08-11-15 | 11:44 AM
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Re: Franchises that survived a bad sequel?
Vacation 2:European Vacation was a definite letdown from the 1st film. The jokes just weren't that funny. The franchise came alive with Christmas Vacation which is a timeless comedy classic.
08-11-15 | 12:58 PM
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08-12-15 | 08:37 PM
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Re: Franchises that survived a bad sequel?
I'm gonna go ahead and call this one... Transporter #5 starring Jason Statham after Refueled bombs.
08-13-15 | 05:32 AM
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