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I agree with both of those.

Comics and movies are two very different mediums of storytelling. Comics have decades and decades of history. Movies have two hours. You don't need tons of backstory to understand and enjoy a movie.

While Jason Todd may be unknown to the masses, Robin in general is not. Robin is very well known by everyone. He has been featured in everything from the 60s TV series to BTAS to the Schumacher movies. I think the only times Robin hasn't been featured in a Batman story is the Burton and Nolan movies.

The Bucky comparison is flawed. Bucky was a very minor character in The First Avenger with very little screen time. Who (as in the movie watchers) actually cared when he died? I sure didn't. He just didn't have enough screen time for us movie watchers to get emotionally invested in his character. His death and resurrection wasn't done for the sake of us movie watchers. It was done for Cap's sake. It was done to show the emotional impact it had on Cap since they were childhood best friends with a deep history that wasn't shown to us movie watchers directly.

Robin will be the same as that. His death isn't done for us movie watchers. It is done simply to show the impact that it has on Batman himself. All you need to know beforehand is that Batman & Robin had a deep relationship. That's all you need to know, and everyone already knows that. Batman & Robin go together like peanut butter and jelly. They're the most well known superhero partnership of all time.

There is a very good chance that Robin will get some backstory filled in through flashbacks in both Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad. That is probably about as much screen time as Bucky had in the First Avenger.

Movies begin in the "middle of a story" all the time. The term for that is called in media res. Star Wars (1977) began in the middle of a story. You didn't need to know the history of the Jedi, Sith, Clone Wars, rise of the Empire, beginning of the Rebellion, etc to understand and enjoy Star Wars. You didn't need to know the history of Middle Earth or how Bilbo got the One Ring from Gollum to understand and enjoy Lord of the Rings. You didn't need to know Hannibal Lector's entire history prior to being imprisoned to understand and enjoy Silence of the Lambs. Much of that backstory was filled in later of course, but it certainly wasn't required knowledge beforehand.

Robin will be the same way. You don't need to know his entire history beforehand. Anything that you need to know will be filled in through flashbacks, exposition, etc. Have you ever seen the animated movie Under the Red Hood? That was a very good adaptation of Robin's death and resurrection. It didn't require a deep understanding of his history. Everything you needed to know was told through extensive flashback scenes. I imagine a live-action adaptation would be very similar to that.

I think the key difference in the films you mentioned is that the events within them were self contained and didn't make a ton of references to prior events. Some may have questioned things like Vader's past but it overall wasn't important as prior to the Original Trilogy (and for twenty two years afterwards) we only knew him that way.

Aw, hell YES!

No!

Not cool w/ a team up bullshit concept but... sure. I'm game. I trust Affleck. He's the best thing out of what WB has done. And that's because Affleck got some nice deals out of it.

Sure why not. Deadshot walks the line between good guy and bad. Could be an interesting scenario with a really good villain.

So basically it sounds like rather than focusing on individual characters that the strategy continues to be cramming more characters into each film. Not sure how I feel about that. Honestly I'd prefer to see Batman teamed with Nightwing or someone from the Bat Family if anyone rather than Deadshot (I know he's a character from that universe but I'm not a huge fan of him or of Will Smith).

Might as well just make it The Batman: Brave and the Bold.

No issues with Deadshot, although we still need to see Suicide Squad to know how good Smith is with the character.

Will Smith's bank account just lit up.

Isn't it always lit up?

Looks like they're going the Spider-Man route with trying to just cram superheroes on screen and seeing what sticks.

blah. this is a dumb idea. batman needs to be by himself, or with his regular partners. no forced team ups.

if its a good story, whats the problem? no trailer and already bashing.. is this the new thing with DC movie criticism? bash it and fuck it

He should join him as Hancock.

I don't have a problem with the basic strategy but I now foresee a minor character like Deadshot getting shoehorned into every possible DC movie. By the time it gets released, Deadshot will be a fully fledged member of the Justice League.

The character does work under the umbrella of a Batman movie, so we'll have to see how it turns out.

I wonder if we'll see the Wayne's gunned down in this flick?

To me I'd just rather they go with a more traditional partner if they want to team Batman up. Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, Red Robin, Oracle, etc. Hell I'd even be more open to someone like Red Hood since if they're using the death of Robin storyline anyways it'd make sense to have that character in the universe. A pairing with Deadshot feels randomly picked sort of and isn't what most would expect. DC to me just seems to be taking a lot of weird directions with their films.

It's a great idea. Been waiting for Team up films since fuckin'-ever.

How is it random? Deadshot is already being elevated and presented to the non-geek public with the SQ film coming out.

It's random in that Deadshot and Batman aren't really known for teaming up. They have a few times in the comics but I doubt many casual fans will make that connection. Deadshot being in the Suicide Squad establishes the character but the team is more made up of anti-heroes/villains so I don't see a clear connection to them teaming up. Obviously it depends what happens in the film but it still isn't the direction I'd go and it's much more logical to have him team up with a member of the Bat Family.