Wonder Woman (2017, D: Patty Jenkins) S: Gadot, Pine
04-14-15, 01:55 AM
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Re: Wonder Woman (2017) S: Gadot
All these companies are corporate entities (including Marvel) which means there is a lot of company politicking going on that tends to trump sound creative decisions. I think it happens a lot less at Marvel and is a little more blatant at WB. There is a reason they don't have the foresight to mix successful TV properties with the theatrical concerns...just as they by passed people like Dini and Timm as creative showrunners or architects for their vast plans- despite the fact those two know a hell of a lot more than any of the suits drawing a paycheck about what DC has of value and how to exploit it in a different medium.
Animation just wasn't a prestigious enough division and they are too busy 'star-fucking' to think or look for solutions outside the box. They know what all the other corporate drones know- repeat what was successful before, ad nauseum.
Animation just wasn't a prestigious enough division and they are too busy 'star-fucking' to think or look for solutions outside the box. They know what all the other corporate drones know- repeat what was successful before, ad nauseum.
04-14-15, 03:20 AM
#452
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Re: Wonder Woman (2017) S: Gadot
All these companies are corporate entities (including Marvel) which means there is a lot of company politicking going on that tends to trump sound creative decisions. I think it happens a lot less at Marvel and is a little more blatant at WB. There is a reason they don't have the foresight to mix successful TV properties with the theatrical concerns...just as they by passed people like Dini and Timm as creative showrunners or architects for their vast plans- despite the fact those two know a hell of a lot more than any of the suits drawing a paycheck about what DC has of value and how to exploit it in a different medium.
Animation just wasn't a prestigious enough division and they are too busy 'star-fucking' to think or look for solutions outside the box. They know what all the other corporate drones know- repeat what was successful before, ad nauseum.
Animation just wasn't a prestigious enough division and they are too busy 'star-fucking' to think or look for solutions outside the box. They know what all the other corporate drones know- repeat what was successful before, ad nauseum.
It seems like Warners has always had a difficult time shepherding DC properties to the big screen; they only seem to get it done when a big name director is attached to the properties like Donner, Burton, or Nolan. And then those properties fall to shit once they leave. Seems like Warners makes the big decisions at the executive level even though they have no fucking clue as to what makes them tick. If they're handed off to a director who does, they can make decent movies. If not, you get stuff like Catwoman.
04-14-15, 06:56 AM
#453
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Re: Wonder Woman (2017) S: Gadot
Director left! The movie is doomed! 
04-14-15, 10:21 AM
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04-14-15, 10:23 AM
#456
Re: Wonder Woman (2017) S: Gadot
If they insist on a female director, I'd go after Patty Jenkins. She was initially attached to Thor 2 and has directed episodes of Entourage and Arrested Development.
04-14-15, 10:39 AM
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Re: Wonder Woman (2017) S: Gadot
Variety's report on the director leaving:
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/wo...ticle-comments
The comments are pretty funny, esp. the "dialogue" between McLaren and the studio.
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/wo...ticle-comments
The comments are pretty funny, esp. the "dialogue" between McLaren and the studio.
04-14-15, 11:14 AM
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04-14-15, 12:51 PM
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Re: Wonder Woman (2017) S: Gadot
Speaking of a lack of singular direction, why the fuck can't anyone on WB/DC agree to unite all their super hero properties? Marvel has a few holdouts (X-Men and Fantastic Four) due to rights issues and they still have a solidly established multimedia presence (uniting both their TV shows and movies under one continuity) whereas WB holds the rights to all their characters and yet they insist on keeping everything separate, while at the same time fucking up the plans of already existing shows by making demands as to what characters can/cannot appear. And don't give me that, don't want to confuse the audience bullshit. If Nick Fury, Lady Sif, and the Howling Commandoes can appear on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter, while at the same time the Avengers and Spider-Man have their own non-MCU canon animated series (and even guest starred on Phineas and Ferb), there's no reason DC can't do the same cross-platform approach, without any silly restrictions.
The suits at WB take incompetence to a whole new level.
The suits at WB take incompetence to a whole new level.
04-14-15, 01:05 PM
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04-15-15, 07:09 AM
#462
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04-15-15, 08:36 AM
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04-15-15, 06:50 PM
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Re: Wonder Woman (2017, MacLaren) S: Gadot
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...finds-a-789099
04-15-15, 08:16 PM
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04-15-15, 08:26 PM
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04-15-15, 08:39 PM
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Re: Wonder Woman (2017) S: Gadot
Maybe, maybe not. "Creative differences" is basically used for anything whenever someone leaves a project, so without knowing the situation we can only speculate.
04-15-15, 09:04 PM
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Re: Wonder Woman (2017) S: Gadot
Speaking of a lack of singular direction, why the fuck can't anyone on WB/DC agree to unite all their super hero properties? Marvel has a few holdouts (X-Men and Fantastic Four) due to rights issues and they still have a solidly established multimedia presence (uniting both their TV shows and movies under one continuity) whereas WB holds the rights to all their characters and yet they insist on keeping everything separate, while at the same time fucking up the plans of already existing shows by making demands as to what characters can/cannot appear. And don't give me that, don't want to confuse the audience bullshit. If Nick Fury, Lady Sif, and the Howling Commandoes can appear on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter, while at the same time the Avengers and Spider-Man have their own non-MCU canon animated series (and even guest starred on Phineas and Ferb), there's no reason DC can't do the same cross-platform approach, without any silly restrictions.
The suits at WB take incompetence to a whole new level.
The suits at WB take incompetence to a whole new level.
04-16-15, 02:02 PM
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Re: Wonder Woman (2017, D: Patty Jenkins,) S: Gadot
TV directors work in a system that they follow, directing or not. They're not auteurs normally. As to WHY her specifically? Maybe she's good. I can't remember wtf she's done.
04-17-15, 12:41 PM
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Re: Wonder Woman (2017, D: Patty Jenkins,) S: Gadot
While Warner Bros. made a swift decision this week to hire Patty Jenkins as its new “Wonder Woman” director, industry insiders are still chattering about why original helmer Michelle MacLaren suddenly vanished from the project.
The studio is declining to elaborate on the cliched “creative differences” joint statement that was issued when the two parted ways. But, according to multiple sources close to the project, the director’s vision for the movie was vastly different from the studio’s view. MacLaren envisioned the DC Comics-based “Wonder Woman” movie as an epic origin tale in the vein of “Braveheart,” whereas Warner wanted a more character-driven story that was less heavy on action.
Warner executives, these insiders said, became increasingly concerned about MacLaren directing a large scale, action-packed production when her experience was limited to the small screen, where she made her name directing episodes of “Game of Thrones,” “Breaking Bad” and “The Walking Dead.”
The studio is expected to stick with a more character-driven movie should Jenkins become attached. Also an experienced TV director, she cut her teeth on the small-scale indie feature “Monster.”
MacLaren was also unaccustomed to the laborious development process associated with making movies. One source described that process as “tortuous” when it came to the pre-production of “Wonder Woman.” After Jason Fuchs delivered his script, the studio put as many as five other writers on the project to work up various scripts while executives simultaneously tested story concepts. “They didn’t like MacLaren’s test,” said one studio executive. (MacLaren’s rep declined comment).
One of the reasons that Warner acted so quickly in picking a replacement for MacLaren was to make sure the studio stayed on track for the film’s planned fall start date and 2017 release.
The studio will now look to get Jenkins up to speed quickly and is already preparing to find the male lead and love interest for “Wonder Woman” star Gal Gadot. Test offers for a handful of actors are expected in the next week.
The studio is declining to elaborate on the cliched “creative differences” joint statement that was issued when the two parted ways. But, according to multiple sources close to the project, the director’s vision for the movie was vastly different from the studio’s view. MacLaren envisioned the DC Comics-based “Wonder Woman” movie as an epic origin tale in the vein of “Braveheart,” whereas Warner wanted a more character-driven story that was less heavy on action.
Warner executives, these insiders said, became increasingly concerned about MacLaren directing a large scale, action-packed production when her experience was limited to the small screen, where she made her name directing episodes of “Game of Thrones,” “Breaking Bad” and “The Walking Dead.”
The studio is expected to stick with a more character-driven movie should Jenkins become attached. Also an experienced TV director, she cut her teeth on the small-scale indie feature “Monster.”
MacLaren was also unaccustomed to the laborious development process associated with making movies. One source described that process as “tortuous” when it came to the pre-production of “Wonder Woman.” After Jason Fuchs delivered his script, the studio put as many as five other writers on the project to work up various scripts while executives simultaneously tested story concepts. “They didn’t like MacLaren’s test,” said one studio executive. (MacLaren’s rep declined comment).
One of the reasons that Warner acted so quickly in picking a replacement for MacLaren was to make sure the studio stayed on track for the film’s planned fall start date and 2017 release.
The studio will now look to get Jenkins up to speed quickly and is already preparing to find the male lead and love interest for “Wonder Woman” star Gal Gadot. Test offers for a handful of actors are expected in the next week.
04-17-15, 03:15 PM
#474
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Re: Wonder Woman (2017, D: Patty Jenkins,) S: Gadot
If true that it's a "character-driven" story, then Jenkins seems like a good choice.
04-17-15, 04:06 PM
#475
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Re: Wonder Woman (2017, D: Patty Jenkins,) S: Gadot
And if it flops, fanboys can be like "MacLaren was going to give us action but DC wouldn't let her! Marvel rules!"