Make a bold statement about movies.
#476
Re: Make a bold statement about movies.
Hey, I went to Catholic school, we were all angels
. In all seriousness, I'm definitely not saying that stuff like that didn't happen. Even in my super-conservative world, word got around about who was experimental, who smoked and did more than just that, but they seemed to be pretty infamous for it. It is of course fully possible that they were just the ones who got the attention for it and that it was happening all over the place, I'm just saying that the soap-opera version of high school was never as hyper-concentrated as it was in the movies. Looking back, I kind of wish it was
.
There were undoubtedly some braggarts, but I did occasionally wonder how much was embellished. Probably 50-50, young and stupid has been a combination for time immemorial.
Then again, my foolish, judgement, retrograde thinking which continued well after that cost me some friendships when I reacted badly to things I found out later on, so I was definitely pretty naive about such things, even more so back then. I was a good schoolboy, but I had a lot to learn about reality. That's something that you can't learn out of a book. But I naively thought I was mature for my age (I wasn't), and I've found many, many films of youth put the words of adults into the mouths of youth. Or generally, the words of the writers.
. In all seriousness, I'm definitely not saying that stuff like that didn't happen. Even in my super-conservative world, word got around about who was experimental, who smoked and did more than just that, but they seemed to be pretty infamous for it. It is of course fully possible that they were just the ones who got the attention for it and that it was happening all over the place, I'm just saying that the soap-opera version of high school was never as hyper-concentrated as it was in the movies. Looking back, I kind of wish it was
.There were undoubtedly some braggarts, but I did occasionally wonder how much was embellished. Probably 50-50, young and stupid has been a combination for time immemorial.
Then again, my foolish, judgement, retrograde thinking which continued well after that cost me some friendships when I reacted badly to things I found out later on, so I was definitely pretty naive about such things, even more so back then. I was a good schoolboy, but I had a lot to learn about reality. That's something that you can't learn out of a book. But I naively thought I was mature for my age (I wasn't), and I've found many, many films of youth put the words of adults into the mouths of youth. Or generally, the words of the writers.
#477
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Make a bold statement about movies.
Hey, I went to Catholic school, we were all angels
. In all seriousness, I'm definitely not saying that stuff like that didn't happen. Even in my super-conservative world, word got around about who was experimental, who smoked and did more than just that, but they seemed to be pretty infamous for it. It is of course fully possible that they were just the ones who got the attention for it and that it was happening all over the place, I'm just saying that the soap-opera version of high school was never as hyper-concentrated as it was in the movies. Looking back, I kind of wish it was
.
There were undoubtedly some braggarts, but I did occasionally wonder how much was embellished. Probably 50-50, young and stupid has been a combination for time immemorial.
Then again, my foolish, judgement, retrograde thinking which continued well after that cost me some friendships when I reacted badly to things I found out later on, so I was definitely pretty naive about such things, even more so back then. I was a good schoolboy, but I had a lot to learn about reality. That's something that you can't learn out of a book. But I naively thought I was mature for my age (I wasn't), and I've found many, many films of youth put the words of adults into the mouths of youth. Or generally, the words of the writers.
. In all seriousness, I'm definitely not saying that stuff like that didn't happen. Even in my super-conservative world, word got around about who was experimental, who smoked and did more than just that, but they seemed to be pretty infamous for it. It is of course fully possible that they were just the ones who got the attention for it and that it was happening all over the place, I'm just saying that the soap-opera version of high school was never as hyper-concentrated as it was in the movies. Looking back, I kind of wish it was
.There were undoubtedly some braggarts, but I did occasionally wonder how much was embellished. Probably 50-50, young and stupid has been a combination for time immemorial.
Then again, my foolish, judgement, retrograde thinking which continued well after that cost me some friendships when I reacted badly to things I found out later on, so I was definitely pretty naive about such things, even more so back then. I was a good schoolboy, but I had a lot to learn about reality. That's something that you can't learn out of a book. But I naively thought I was mature for my age (I wasn't), and I've found many, many films of youth put the words of adults into the mouths of youth. Or generally, the words of the writers.
#481
Thread Starter
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Make a bold statement about movies.
The Fantastic Four reboot is better than the following films:
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Iron Man 3
Thor
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The First Avenger
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Incredible Hulk
Ant-Man
The Avengers
Avenger's Age of Ultron
Spider-man
Spider-man 2
Spider-man 3
The Amazing Spider-man
The Amazing Spider-man 2
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
The Green Lantern
X Men 3: The Last Stand
X Men Origins: Wolverine
The Punisher
The Punisher War Zone
The Hulk
The Fantastic Four (2005)
The Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Superman Returns
Daredevil
Elektra
Catwoman.
If it wasn't for the ending being a bit shaky. I'd rate it higher than nearly all comic book films. I love the direction they took the film, I love the spin Josh Trank put on it. I was engaged the whole time. This movie didn't deserve the colossal shit storm that was heaped upon it.
I don't know if Trank's Directors cut would have been better or worse due to the conflicting reports about his behaviour on set, but I really wish I could see it.
Also It sucks that theres finally a Marvel flick I really dig that has no chance of a sequel. FOX has done an infinitely better job with the Marvel Properties than Sony and Marvel Studios has its just a shame all the cement heads out there continue to swing from the balls of the MCU.
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Iron Man 3
Thor
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The First Avenger
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Incredible Hulk
Ant-Man
The Avengers
Avenger's Age of Ultron
Spider-man
Spider-man 2
Spider-man 3
The Amazing Spider-man
The Amazing Spider-man 2
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
The Green Lantern
X Men 3: The Last Stand
X Men Origins: Wolverine
The Punisher
The Punisher War Zone
The Hulk
The Fantastic Four (2005)
The Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Superman Returns
Daredevil
Elektra
Catwoman.
If it wasn't for the ending being a bit shaky. I'd rate it higher than nearly all comic book films. I love the direction they took the film, I love the spin Josh Trank put on it. I was engaged the whole time. This movie didn't deserve the colossal shit storm that was heaped upon it.
I don't know if Trank's Directors cut would have been better or worse due to the conflicting reports about his behaviour on set, but I really wish I could see it.
Also It sucks that theres finally a Marvel flick I really dig that has no chance of a sequel. FOX has done an infinitely better job with the Marvel Properties than Sony and Marvel Studios has its just a shame all the cement heads out there continue to swing from the balls of the MCU.
#482
Re: Make a bold statement about movies.
The Fantastic Four reboot is better than the following films:
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Iron Man 3
Thor
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The First Avenger
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Incredible Hulk
Ant-Man
The Avengers
Avenger's Age of Ultron
Spider-man
Spider-man 2
Spider-man 3
The Amazing Spider-man
The Amazing Spider-man 2
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
The Green Lantern
X Men 3: The Last Stand
X Men Origins: Wolverine
The Punisher
The Punisher War Zone
The Hulk
The Fantastic Four (2005)
The Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Superman Returns
Daredevil
Elektra
Catwoman.
If it wasn't for the ending being a bit shaky. I'd rate it higher than nearly all comic book films. I love the direction they took the film, I love the spin Josh Trank put on it. I was engaged the whole time. This movie didn't deserve the colossal shit storm that was heaped upon it.
I don't know if Trank's Directors cut would have been better or worse due to the conflicting reports about his behaviour on set, but I really wish I could see it.
Also It sucks that theres finally a Marvel flick I really dig that has no chance of a sequel. FOX has done an infinitely better job with the Marvel Properties than Sony and Marvel Studios has its just a shame all the cement heads out there continue to swing from the balls of the MCU.
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Iron Man 3
Thor
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The First Avenger
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Incredible Hulk
Ant-Man
The Avengers
Avenger's Age of Ultron
Spider-man
Spider-man 2
Spider-man 3
The Amazing Spider-man
The Amazing Spider-man 2
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
The Green Lantern
X Men 3: The Last Stand
X Men Origins: Wolverine
The Punisher
The Punisher War Zone
The Hulk
The Fantastic Four (2005)
The Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Superman Returns
Daredevil
Elektra
Catwoman.
If it wasn't for the ending being a bit shaky. I'd rate it higher than nearly all comic book films. I love the direction they took the film, I love the spin Josh Trank put on it. I was engaged the whole time. This movie didn't deserve the colossal shit storm that was heaped upon it.
I don't know if Trank's Directors cut would have been better or worse due to the conflicting reports about his behaviour on set, but I really wish I could see it.
Also It sucks that theres finally a Marvel flick I really dig that has no chance of a sequel. FOX has done an infinitely better job with the Marvel Properties than Sony and Marvel Studios has its just a shame all the cement heads out there continue to swing from the balls of the MCU.
#483
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Make a bold statement about movies.
Continuing my opinion from posting 285...
BOLD STATEMENT: I think Prometheus is a much, much better sci-fi film than Snowpiercer
Why?
- I think "Prometheus" has a more visionary depiction of the future than "Snowpiercer"
- I think "Prometheus" has a far better and more consistent plot than "Snowpiercer" (which may not be saying a lot given that "Snowpiercer" has one of the stupidest plots in movie history, depicting society class structure as envisioned by a total moron)
- Although "Prometheus" has some dumb behavior by its characters, I think they are all virtual geniuses compared to the characters in "Snowpiercer"
- "Prometheus" has a lot of bad science in it, but it's not remotely at the cartoonish level of bad science that is "Snowpiercer"
- I think "Prometheus" has much better repeat value than "Snowpiercer" which I think is a visually ugly-looking movie throughout with unlikeable characters
"Prometheus" has a lot of flaws and isn't close to being perfect, but I think its strengths far outweigh its weaknesses. "Snowpiercer" is nothing but a bunch of weaknesses (idiotic story, cartoonish science, mostly unlikeable characters, and stupid behavior by everyone in the movie) without a single good thing about it to recommend (IMO).
(And I do think a lot of people jump on the social bandwagon with each of these movies, joining the haters nitpicking all the stupid stuff in "Prometheus" and also joining the praisers who inexplicably ignore all the stupid stuff in "Snowpiercer". When people do this, they aren't really expressing their own opinion but just are going with the crowd - IMO, that is
).
BOLD STATEMENT: I think Prometheus is a much, much better sci-fi film than Snowpiercer
Why?
- I think "Prometheus" has a more visionary depiction of the future than "Snowpiercer"
- I think "Prometheus" has a far better and more consistent plot than "Snowpiercer" (which may not be saying a lot given that "Snowpiercer" has one of the stupidest plots in movie history, depicting society class structure as envisioned by a total moron)
- Although "Prometheus" has some dumb behavior by its characters, I think they are all virtual geniuses compared to the characters in "Snowpiercer"
- "Prometheus" has a lot of bad science in it, but it's not remotely at the cartoonish level of bad science that is "Snowpiercer"
- I think "Prometheus" has much better repeat value than "Snowpiercer" which I think is a visually ugly-looking movie throughout with unlikeable characters
"Prometheus" has a lot of flaws and isn't close to being perfect, but I think its strengths far outweigh its weaknesses. "Snowpiercer" is nothing but a bunch of weaknesses (idiotic story, cartoonish science, mostly unlikeable characters, and stupid behavior by everyone in the movie) without a single good thing about it to recommend (IMO).
(And I do think a lot of people jump on the social bandwagon with each of these movies, joining the haters nitpicking all the stupid stuff in "Prometheus" and also joining the praisers who inexplicably ignore all the stupid stuff in "Snowpiercer". When people do this, they aren't really expressing their own opinion but just are going with the crowd - IMO, that is
).
Last edited by dhmac; 09-30-15 at 02:02 PM.
#484
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Make a bold statement about movies.
^ I would like to read an essay on this topic.
Also, yes, Prometheus is much better than Snowpiercer.
Also, yes, Prometheus is much better than Snowpiercer.
#485
#486
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Re: Make a bold statement about movies.
I've only seen Prometheus, but that statement makes me want to stay far, far away from Snowpiercer.
#487
DVD Talk Limited Edition
#489
#490
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Make a bold statement about movies.
I have not seen Little Princess or Great Expectations.
#491
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Make a bold statement about movies.
The Fantastic Four reboot is better than the following films:
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Iron Man 3
Thor
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The First Avenger
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Incredible Hulk
Ant-Man
The Avengers
Avenger's Age of Ultron
Spider-man
Spider-man 2
Spider-man 3
The Amazing Spider-man
The Amazing Spider-man 2
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
The Green Lantern
X Men 3: The Last Stand
X Men Origins: Wolverine
The Punisher
The Punisher War Zone
The Hulk
The Fantastic Four (2005)
The Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Superman Returns
Daredevil
Elektra
Catwoman.
If it wasn't for the ending being a bit shaky. I'd rate it higher than nearly all comic book films. I love the direction they took the film, I love the spin Josh Trank put on it. I was engaged the whole time. This movie didn't deserve the colossal shit storm that was heaped upon it.
I don't know if Trank's Directors cut would have been better or worse due to the conflicting reports about his behaviour on set, but I really wish I could see it.
Also It sucks that theres finally a Marvel flick I really dig that has no chance of a sequel. FOX has done an infinitely better job with the Marvel Properties than Sony and Marvel Studios has its just a shame all the cement heads out there continue to swing from the balls of the MCU.
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Iron Man 3
Thor
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The First Avenger
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Incredible Hulk
Ant-Man
The Avengers
Avenger's Age of Ultron
Spider-man
Spider-man 2
Spider-man 3
The Amazing Spider-man
The Amazing Spider-man 2
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
The Green Lantern
X Men 3: The Last Stand
X Men Origins: Wolverine
The Punisher
The Punisher War Zone
The Hulk
The Fantastic Four (2005)
The Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Superman Returns
Daredevil
Elektra
Catwoman.
If it wasn't for the ending being a bit shaky. I'd rate it higher than nearly all comic book films. I love the direction they took the film, I love the spin Josh Trank put on it. I was engaged the whole time. This movie didn't deserve the colossal shit storm that was heaped upon it.
I don't know if Trank's Directors cut would have been better or worse due to the conflicting reports about his behaviour on set, but I really wish I could see it.
Also It sucks that theres finally a Marvel flick I really dig that has no chance of a sequel. FOX has done an infinitely better job with the Marvel Properties than Sony and Marvel Studios has its just a shame all the cement heads out there continue to swing from the balls of the MCU.
But not as good as Jonah Hex?
#493
Re: Make a bold statement about movies.

I didn't think so.
Besides, JONAH HEX was mercifully short compared to most comic book films. It gets points for that.
Last edited by Ash Ketchum; 10-01-15 at 03:05 PM.
#494
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Make a bold statement about movies.
My school was full of cliques, not as polarized as TV/movies but they were there. I was always outside of several like a large group and I heard stories from some that some Hollywood producers would kill for. There was the love triangle that involved a stabbing, fight and ended in suicide. I graduated in 1990 and Fast Times and Dazed & Confused have several elements that remind me of my highschool.
#495
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Make a bold statement about movies.
I realized I've never responded to this thread... Just one comment, maybe not particularly bold: the vast majority of Hollywood movies are remarkably retrograde in their morality, handling of race, and in particular in their depiction of women. It's like Hollywood remains stuck in the 1950s.
#496
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Make a bold statement about movies.
I realized I've never responded to this thread... Just one comment, maybe not particularly bold: the vast majority of Hollywood movies are remarkably retrograde in their morality, handling of race, and in particular in their depiction of women. It's like Hollywood remains stuck in the 1950s.
Honest Trailers did a hilarious dissection of Disney's "Peter Pan" on this topic:
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(although it's not only "Peter Pan" that has this glaring issue)




