Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
04-28-17, 11:34 PM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
AVP aside, hasn't the concept of the Aliens being worshipped as gods and having religious overtones been in the comics quite a bit? A lot of the religious overtones got removed from the famous Vince award draft of the third film.
04-29-17, 03:20 AM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
Who care? The original version of Star Wars isn't available on home video!
05-06-17, 05:29 PM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
The 10 minute preview that was shown at CinemaCon is out there. It's basically two scenes....the landing, and the back-burster. Looks pretty lean and mean....and seems clear this will rocket past Alien 3 for the most language and gore in the series. I have mixed feelings about that... those elements didn't need to be 'upped'...it still comes down to the story and characters.
Better news...the score has returned to some of Goldsmith's themes! Very atmospheric....link here:
http://www.alien-covenant.com/soundtrack.mp3
Better news...the score has returned to some of Goldsmith's themes! Very atmospheric....link here:
http://www.alien-covenant.com/soundtrack.mp3
05-07-17, 08:26 AM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
Negative review: http://io9.gizmodo.com/alien-covenan...647.1484253934
05-07-17, 11:34 AM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
Sitting at 79% on Rotten Tomatoes with 24 reviews.
05-07-17, 01:00 PM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
I'm going to avoid the reviews and clips from here on out. That means I am not sure what those positives and negatives are based on.
However, let me ask this ... what is the "bar" you are using for this movie? Are you holding it to the standards set by Alien and Aliens? Or are you holding it up against the drek and saying as long as it isn't as bad as (chose your sliding scale -- AVP -- AVP:Reqiuem -- Prometheus) then you will say it is good?
However, let me ask this ... what is the "bar" you are using for this movie? Are you holding it to the standards set by Alien and Aliens? Or are you holding it up against the drek and saying as long as it isn't as bad as (chose your sliding scale -- AVP -- AVP:Reqiuem -- Prometheus) then you will say it is good?
05-07-17, 01:10 PM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
It'd be foolish to hold it up to the same standards as the first two movies. I just want to see a scary Alien movie that makes up for Prometheus. Some critics have described it as "Friday the 13th in space," and honestly, I'm fine with that.
05-07-17, 01:22 PM
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05-07-17, 02:02 PM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
That's cool that it's sounding like it's at least a fun movie.
From what I've read about the possible plot...
Oh yeah, the ABCD/Ash, Bishop, Call, David...Walter???? is really a thing. One of the reviewers listed at Rotten Tomatoes mentioned it.
From what I've read about the possible plot...
Spoiler:
Oh yeah, the ABCD/Ash, Bishop, Call, David...Walter???? is really a thing. One of the reviewers listed at Rotten Tomatoes mentioned it.
05-07-17, 02:20 PM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
That's one thing that I really isliked about Prometheus, that it gave all of this backstory to the Space Jockeys.
The more we know about these things, the Aliens and the Space Jockeys, it completely desmystifies them. These things are so much more frightening and interesting when we don't know what they are or where they came from. Are they animals or machines? Engineered bioweapons or naturally evolved super-predators? Were the Space Jockeys there creators, their victims, or their prey?
The more we know about these things, the Aliens and the Space Jockeys, it completely desmystifies them. These things are so much more frightening and interesting when we don't know what they are or where they came from. Are they animals or machines? Engineered bioweapons or naturally evolved super-predators? Were the Space Jockeys there creators, their victims, or their prey?
05-07-17, 08:45 PM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
05-07-17, 10:55 PM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
That's one thing that I really isliked about Prometheus, that it gave all of this backstory to the Space Jockeys.
The more we know about these things, the Aliens and the Space Jockeys, it completely desmystifies them. These things are so much more frightening and interesting when we don't know what they are or where they came from. Are they animals or machines? Engineered bioweapons or naturally evolved super-predators? Were the Space Jockeys there creators, their victims, or their prey?
The more we know about these things, the Aliens and the Space Jockeys, it completely desmystifies them. These things are so much more frightening and interesting when we don't know what they are or where they came from. Are they animals or machines? Engineered bioweapons or naturally evolved super-predators? Were the Space Jockeys there creators, their victims, or their prey?
05-07-17, 11:25 PM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
I always figured they were simply predatory creatures from another planet. Like a horrifying and grounded version of goofy 50's sci-fi monsters. Giving them an origin didn't change anything for me.
I still really like Prometheus. It's really pretty. It's good sci-fi entertainment. The low point is still how casual everyone was about handling extraterrestrial goo and overall lack of safety restraint from a group of people who just traveled very far to get there.
I still really like Prometheus. It's really pretty. It's good sci-fi entertainment. The low point is still how casual everyone was about handling extraterrestrial goo and overall lack of safety restraint from a group of people who just traveled very far to get there.
05-08-17, 07:56 AM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
I always assumed it was the Space Jockey who found the Alien's, they were moving them, the ship crashed and the eggs stayed there. I was never that interested in the story about why they exist and I think that's one of the problems with these prequels. They seem to think the story is more fascinating then it is.
I'm still hoping to enjoy this though. I'm not expecting anything more than a slasher movie in space and don't see it being worse than Prometheus.
I'm still hoping to enjoy this though. I'm not expecting anything more than a slasher movie in space and don't see it being worse than Prometheus.
05-08-17, 08:51 AM
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I always figured they were simply predatory creatures from another planet. Like a horrifying and grounded version of goofy 50's sci-fi monsters. Giving them an origin didn't change anything for me.
I still really like Prometheus. It's really pretty. It's good sci-fi entertainment. The low point is still how casual everyone was about handling extraterrestrial goo and overall lack of safety restraint from a group of people who just traveled very far to get there.
I still really like Prometheus. It's really pretty. It's good sci-fi entertainment. The low point is still how casual everyone was about handling extraterrestrial goo and overall lack of safety restraint from a group of people who just traveled very far to get there.
05-08-17, 12:50 PM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
I think I'll also avoid reviews until I see it ,since it is skewing slightly positive for now. My only issue is that Prometheus started as something intriguing and then turned into a half-assed horror movie in space with people acting stupid. This one looks like it's just a straight up horror movie in space, but still has people acting stupid! Is it imperative for horror movie people to be stupid?
Unsurprisingly, Danny McBride seems to be the actor getting the most praise . I find him entertaining in just about anything.
Unsurprisingly, Danny McBride seems to be the actor getting the most praise . I find him entertaining in just about anything.
05-08-17, 01:11 PM
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Alien: Covenant Review | An Essay on Why Ridley Scott Shouldn’t Make Alien Films Anymore
https://shotguncinema.com/2017/05/08...films-anymore/
https://shotguncinema.com/2017/05/08...films-anymore/
05-08-17, 01:45 PM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
I remember when the term "Alien" used to mean otherworldly and unknown. Now it apparently has come to mean "let me explain everything for you..."
05-08-17, 02:49 PM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
The early reviews have me interested, my coworker and I are talking about catching an early showing on release day.
05-08-17, 08:16 PM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
I always assumed it was the Space Jockey who found the Alien's, they were moving them, the ship crashed and the eggs stayed there. I was never that interested in the story about why they exist and I think that's one of the problems with these prequels. They seem to think the story is more fascinating then it is.
I'm still hoping to enjoy this though. I'm not expecting anything more than a slasher movie in space and don't see it being worse than Prometheus.
I'm still hoping to enjoy this though. I'm not expecting anything more than a slasher movie in space and don't see it being worse than Prometheus.
But the theatrical cut is much more ambiguous about everything, and is better for it.
05-08-17, 11:22 PM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
If you watch the directors cut of Alien, you can sort of get a sense that the Space Jockey ship picked up an alien egg somewhere, the pilot got infected, and the resulting xenomorph turned the ship's crew into eggs.
But the theatrical cut is much more ambiguous about everything, and is better for it.
But the theatrical cut is much more ambiguous about everything, and is better for it.
05-09-17, 09:30 AM
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Re: Alien: Covenant (Prometheus 2) (D: Scott) S: Fassbender
http://uproxx.com/movies/alien-covenant-review/
‘Alien: Covenant’ Is A Good ‘Alien’ Movie, Until It Becomes ‘Prometheus 2’
‘Alien: Covenant’ Is A Good ‘Alien’ Movie, Until It Becomes ‘Prometheus 2’
But it’s now weird to go back to the original Alien – a masterpiece of horror and science fiction – to now know the alien that’s terrorizing everyone exists because a robot was bored.
The Alien movies have a lot in common with the Terminator movies. What started out as a simple, “let’s run away from this scary thing,” are now so bogged down in their own mythology of why these scary things exist, it’s almost unrecognizable.
Look, Scott obviously still has a lot he wants to say about the mythology of Alien – wrapped up in a creator complex story featuring a bored robot – and that’s what he’s going to do. The title of the movie has been changed back to Alien, but this is very much a Prometheus movie. And if you didn’t like Prometheus, there’s a good chance you won’t like Alien: Covenant either. (In turn, if you did like Prometheus, boy, do I have some good news for you.)