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Referring to a single person as "they" might be an uneasy transition for me to make just because "he/him she/her" has been ingrained into my way of speaking for literally my entire life, but if someone that falls under the LGBT umbrella felt more comfortable being referred to as "they", I don't see any reason why I couldn't make the effort. It's a minor inconvenience and costs me nothing. It wouldn't be much different than when a trans person changes their name and the adjustment you'd have to make there. I just haven't come across it in everyday life yet. However, changing my language to refer to all 8 billion of us as "they", that would be a hell of a lot harder to do.

Anyways, I'm happy for him. He seems like a genuinely good person, and has done some pretty brave activist stuff to boot.

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Do people actually get mad at that though? Unless you are doing it to be purposely bigoted, I feel like everyone's entitled to make mistakes until they get used to the change. Slightly off topic, but I remember when the WWF (World Wrestling Federation) had to legally change the name of their company because of the World Wildlife Fund's court win, the first tv show they did after changing all the logos, graphics merchandise etc the announcer opened the show by saying Welcome to WWF Monday Night Raw! My point is, slip up's happen, and I don't think it's done out of malice.

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I'm sure people who haven't even thought about this possibility yet are already outraged.

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Or we could not overthink it and just say “Elliot needs a haircut.”

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Sure, but there's no way to obviate pronouns entirely.
The problem then would be - and this might sound judmental or crass when I don't mean it to - if you don't consider yourself male or female, then you can't win Best Actor or Best Actress. "Best Thesping Human Being". Perhaps they should just get rid of the separation of genders anyway, and make it Best Performance, period, male, female, or other.

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...and his wikifeet page is already gone.

There's no longer an entry under "Ellen Page" and no new entry under "Elliot Page."

Those guys are fast. rotfl

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1) Elliot thinks that Elliot needs a haircut.
2) Elliot needs a haircut.

Those two sentences are not communicating the same meaning. #2 is a declarative statement that Elliot does, in fact, need a haircut. But it is undecided in #1 if Elliot does need a haircut or only thinks he needs a haircut.

And addressing the first point, using the person's name twice instead of a pronoun would be considered poor style and awkward phrasing. You'd get the red pen for that.

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I doubt the Academy would agree that the way to increase interest in the Oscars is to eliminate 40% of the only categories that most people care about.

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Good for him. Tbh I don't really care. Which is probably the way it should be?

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Don't put it past them... this new ideology is pretty much steamrolling every norm. Game studios will not be offering male/female choices going forward. This is only the beginning....

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Same here, I will never use it unless I am talking about Eve White or Sybil Dorsett
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The Berlin Film Festival will have gender neutral acting catergories next year. I think you just create a real problem by trying to be politicly correct. Sandra Bullock won best actress in 2010, the leading actress category wasn't that strong in 2010. So instead of having 5 female nominees and a winner you might end up with an all male nominees list. So you make a quota?
Just let the studios choose in which category the actor will be nominated just like leading and supporting.

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She was never my type so it does not bother me.

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So Juno is now Jupiter.

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So a white man has been taking roles written for women for more than 2 decades, and is now trying to erase a succesfull female actress' name from history?
Seems misogynistic to me.

/s ... a little

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I think I commented some years ago that I didn't think she was all that sexy and that she looked more like a teenage boy to me. Who knew back then that I was actually giving her a huge compliment?

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It shouldn't bother you whether or not she was ever your type. He's doing this for himself, not for you.

To me, it is strange when people get upset whenever celebrities make changes that they don't approve of. If someone gets a haircut or a tattoo, comes out as gay or trans, none of it really affects you. You're not dating them, and you were never going to. If it makes them happy, then good for them.

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This.

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I noticed that the Demon's Souls remake doesn't have this as an option. I'm sure somebody somewhere is outraged about this, but I don't understand why its a problem.

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As you would if you used "they" to refer to an individual. Neither is ideal; both are incorrect. To me, using a person's name twice is a less-egregious offense than using a plural pronoun to refer to an individual. Japanese, as far as I know, doesn't use third-person pronouns, and it's gotten along as a language just fine for a good, long while.

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Not necessarily, and a person can easily get into a situation where they would be using the name many times in a sentence, or like this sentence where the person is unidentified.

My professional experience has been that people with an investment in English writing education are invested in the "they" is not singular argument. Everybody else just reads it as how everybody speaks. This is why I am happy this is fast-tracking to acceptance.

But let's call yesterday Grammar Tuesday, and not continue this line of conversation.

If we're not going to get upset and pass judgement on celebrities, what the hell is left of American culture?

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Maybe someone can create a pronoun thread in politics if they want to continue so this one doesn’t go too far off the track.

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If all we are supposed to post is comments like "Good for him," I'm not sure this thread has a track worth staying on. Just saying.

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No, I’m saying that it seems like a topic that people seem to be interested in and further exploring and may be ripe for further discussion in its own specific thread.

And I said “this” to that reply because I found the original post that is being replied to cringeworthy.

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Fair enough, but I find the cringe-worthy posts entertaining.