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Venom (2018, D: Ruben Fleischer) S: Tom Hardy

I guess in an attempt to find a franchise to milk...

Sony may bite on Spidey spinoff
Studio developing 'Venom,' seeking new writers
By Steven Zeitchik

July 31, 2008, 12:01 AM ET

With Heath Ledger's villainous Joker drawing attention and boxoffice dollars, Sony is moving forward with "Venom," a potential "Spider-Man" spinoff based on a bad guy.

The studio is developing the project, based on the gooey nemesis who appeared in "Spider-Man 3" and is hoping the character could serve as an antidote to the aging "Spider-Man" franchise in the way that Fox has used Wolverine to add longevity to its "X-Men" franchise.

But getting any spinoff off the ground, let alone one centered on a villain, can be tricky.

The studio had commissioned a draft of the script from Jacob Estes, a writer of the specialty film "Mean Creek," released several years ago by Paramount Classics. He's also attached to the Plan B drama "The Gifted."

But the studio is considering going in a different direction from Estes' script and is seeking writers for a new draft.

Casting also is no simple matter. Topher Grace played the character in the film, but agents have been eyeing the role for their clients, as Sony is not yet convinced the actor can carry a tentpole picture.

Neither Sony nor Marvel would comment for this story.

In "Spider-Man 3," Venom is essentially a parasite that attaches itself to a host via a sticky substance that then gives the host special powers. The fact that it is a substance rather than a character could give Sony leeway to cast a new actor.

"Venom" came about as part of the licensing deal between Marvel and Sony for the Spider-Man movies, which contained provisions allowing for the use of spinoffs based on other Spider-Man characters.

The project is part of a larger feeding frenzy for superhero projects, scores of which have been signed up in the last few months while movies such as "Iron Man" and "The Dark Knight" light up the boxoffice.

Sony is developing a fourth "Spider-Man" film for 2011, but that picture would come out nine years after the original movie debuted, adding to the studio's desire to see new Marvel characters.
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Maybe if Spider-man 3 hadn't sucked so bad they wouldn't need "an antidote to the aging Spider-Man franchise."
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Originally Posted by DeputyDave
Maybe if Spider-man 3 hadn't sucked so bad they wouldn't need "an antidote to the aging Spider-Man franchise."
The antidote is "let Sam Raimi do what he wants and don't force him to showhorn characters he doesn't want in the film".
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^Spiderman 3 had bigger problems than Venom being forced into the film.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
The antidote is "let Sam Raimi do what he wants and don't force him to showhorn characters he doesn't want in the film".
Exactly why I wish marvel can somehow get this franchise out of our hands. As much as I love getting bonuses based on boxoffice, I would rather see a good movie that isn't messed with by Amy Pascal.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
The antidote is "let Sam Raimi do what he wants and don't force him to showhorn characters he doesn't want in the film".
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A spinoff with Harry Osbourne as a Green Goblin hero would be better. If they didn't kill him off in the last movie that is. i suppose he could be resurrected if they wanted him though.
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Originally Posted by RyoHazuki
^Spiderman 3 had bigger problems than Venom being forced into the film.
I don't know what your specific beefs were with the film, almost everything that people generally complain about is the direct result of studio interference.
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Originally Posted by RyoHazuki
^Spiderman 3 had bigger problems than Venom being forced into the film.
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Emo Pete was studio interference?
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Originally Posted by Groucho
I don't know what your specific beefs were with the film, almost everything that people generally complain about is the direct result of studio interference.
Studio interference or not, it was pretty bad. There were plenty of issues with Spidey 3 that should have never made it to the screen.

That being said, I think a Venom film could be cool if done right. Which you know they won't. So it'll suck.
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Originally Posted by RyoHazuki
Emo Pete was studio interference?
Exactly, Raimi has worn out his welcome.
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Please just do us all a favor Sony and give the rights back to Marvel so they can do it right.
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Admittedly, I don't know anything about the comics, but I'm struggling to understand what the premise of a Venom movie would be. Venom goes around doing bad things with his powers and nobody stops him? Or will there be some kind of hero involved? Anyone with knowledge of the comics want to weigh in?
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^Venom is a hero in some of the comics. He goes around saving people but with less rules than Spiderman. He's a lethal protector.
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Originally Posted by RyoHazuki
Emo Pete was studio interference?
No Venom = No black suit. No black suit = No Emo Pete.
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I'd check it out. I didn't have a problem with Venom in SM3. No, Venom was just a small part of a whole problem that was Spider-man 3.
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Raimi could have had Venom and not included Emo Pete. He could have bit the bullet and given the fans what they want (Venom vs. Spiderman movie). Instead he said fuck it I'll just make the movie suck.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
I don't know what your specific beefs were with the film, almost everything that people generally complain about is the direct result of studio interference.
I feel the whole Spiderman/Green Goblin story arc with the introduction of Gwen Stacy was completely botched. I always thought the studio involvement was the way the movie feels like three screenplays were combined into one. But if we at least got a decent resolution to the freakin' cliffhanger story arc from part 2, I would've been more forgiving.
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Emo Pete wasn't even the biggest problem with Spider-man 3, it was that idiotic plot between Harry, Mary Jane and Pete. Honestly, Spider-man 2 gave the series some much needed maturity, Spider-man 3 comes around and it's like they were time warped back into high school.

It was mildly entertaining in a super campy way, but it was still really bad and cringe enducing... But, at least there was no Green Goblin/minimum Willem DaFoe, he single handedly made the first Spider-man unwatchable (characters fault, not his).
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Originally Posted by RyoHazuki
Raimi could have had Venom and not included Emo Pete. He could have bit the bullet and given the fans what they want (Venom vs. Spiderman movie). Instead he said fuck it I'll just make the movie suck.
I agree. Just because the studio asked to have Venom in there didn't mean all those ridiculous scenes needed to be included. Nor Harry's stupid smirk in the restaurant.
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Originally Posted by RyoHazuki
^Venom is a hero in some of the comics. He goes around saving people but with less rules than Spiderman. He's a lethal protector.
the only thing i know about Venom in the comics is Brock is dying from cancer and Venom is somewhat of his alternate personality.
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I'd wager if they make this spin-off Venom film that Carnage will make an appearance as well.
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I'd wager if they make this spin-off Venom film that Carnage will make an appearance as well.
Seems lilely if they want Venom to be some kind of anti-hero. He has to grudgingly save the city from Carnage?
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Originally Posted by devilshalo
The studio is developing the project, based on the goofy nemesis who appeared in "Spider-Man 3" and is hoping the character could serve as an antidote to the aging "Spider-Man" franchise in the way that Fox has used Wolverine to add longevity to its "X-Men" franchise.
Fixed. The addition of Topher Grace as Venom killed this movie. I get that Raimi insists that everyone gets unmasked at least once during the movie, but when Venom did it... well it was Eric Foreman. What a freakin joke.

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