Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

I don't think anyone was presuming anything, but rather taking the producer's quote at face value - something many seem unwilling or unable to do.

Even if he doesn't kill in the movie, if he is as callous as the producer's complete quote claims (which said far more than the "executioner" bit), then he is not worthy to be called a superhero.

And BTW, if you think the sentiment is limited to posters here, you need to do a google search. Web sites all over are abuzz with concern.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

Well, presumably these are truly 'bad guys' Batman catches... I don't see what a little extra beat down and branding would hurt...just so they get the message. He's probably fed up with dealing with scumbags by this point. Maybe he's like the good Terminator..."he'll live."

Most likely it's a character arc for him as well, maybe Alfred talks him out of going too far...and he's gotta learn to get himself back together emotionally.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

I seem to recall Batman was pretty brutal in The Dark Knight Returns. Heck, he was damn brutal in Batman Returns. Burned one scum alive and strapped a bomb to another before pushing him down a manhole.

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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

I have yet to watch a Batman movie that didn't end with dead villains.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

You've never seen Batman and Robin? Lucky you.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

Again though the point I was making isn't about villains not dying at all it's the manner in how their deaths occur. Batman doesn't kill any of them ruthlessly for no reason. It's usually because other lives were in danger (Batman Returns is definitely an exception and that's always been a big issue I've had with it). Under circumstances like that it's reasonable that he kills or doesn't save them depending on the situation.

If it's being established that he's just older and has become more of a killer just for the sake of it because he's jaded with the world and thinks no villain deserves a chance (which is essentially what the quote makes it out like he's killed whoever crosses his path for whatever reason) then that's where I have a problem with it.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

But it makes sense that the character would escalate as the films go on. You say that Batman shouldn't kill, except when it's reasonable to kill. It's a flimsy line to draw pertaining to a precedent that was set all the way back in the first Batman movie. It seems like you're upset that you're not getting your favorite iteration of Batman in this movie.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

I don't see how. There's a distinction between the character causing a death because he's saving someone's life versus just killing because that's what his mindset is and he thinks that whoever doesn't deserve a chance. It depends on the circumstance and obviously we don't know every backstory as to the people he has killed but if he's just taking out anyone randomly because that's what he does its a problem.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

Gotham would be a better place if Batman would just go ahead and kill the Joker. I assume Gotham exists in a place where corporal punishment is not allowed, otherwise the State would have put him down all ready. Batman's existence as a vigilante would let him do what Justice cannot. Instead, he lets Joker live and continue to kill people due to a misguided sense of honor, or more likely, he actually enjoys the cat-and-mouse game that they play. The bottom line is that Batman's no killing rule is a plot device that allows DC to continue to sell comics with a popular character.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

Regardless it's out of character and I'm not a fan of that. We'll just have to agree to disagree. :shrug:

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

Early projections/expectations have this at a $154 million opening, with a total domestic gross of $388 million: http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/411...open-with-154m

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

i'll take the under on both

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

That can't be sitting well with the suits at Warner, if this article at screenrant is true:

http://screenrant.com/batman-v-super...ustice-league/

According to them, the total budget for BvS is $410 million.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

I'm going over. $165M OW, $396M DOM/$820M OS.

Not sure how much I buy that number and who knows what that includes such as marketing which could easily be over $100M WW. But the movie should do over $1B worldwide, the chunk of it overseas as is customary nowadays. Also, no real source for the story which originated on Latino Review. In the end, I doubt we'll know, but it'd bet it's at least $350M.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

I'll take the under as well. I'm hoping Suicide Squad does very well though because I'm worried WB management will be hesitant to launch non-established characters if it fails.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

Part of me is hoping it kinda bombs, just so they realize that no one wants this asshole version of Superman. They can do whatever they want with Batman for all I care.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

I think the tracking may be a bit low but no way this film flops. I don't think it's going to be bigger than either Avengers film and won't get near the levels of Jurassic World or The Force Awakens.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

I actually wouldn't be surprised if it approaches $1B overseas.

Off topic, but I didn't realize that Furious 7 made nearly $150M more than Jurassic World in the international market.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

When was the last time a Batman or Superman film came out NOT during summer or Christmas? I think the answer is never.

When was the last time a film with a budget this high came out NOT during summer or Christmas?

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

Keep in mind they tried to stay away from Civil War which was the reason for the move. Quite possible they wanted to avoid a critical comparison of the two, or knew they were spending a lot on it and had to move it somewhere where it gets a chance to have some legs.

I do agree that it is highly possible of making over 1 Billion overseas, but if it doesn't turn a profit domestically heads are going to roll at WB. We are talking about a three year project featuring their two biggest comic characters here. Even Ant-man turned a small profit for Marvel!

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

BTW .... International numbers

Dark Knight $469,700,000
Dark Knight Rises $636,800,000
Man of Steel $377,000,000

Nothing is a given here.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

Yes, but things have changed even in the last 2-3 years. Studios are more and more focusing on the international market, China in particular.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

I wouldn't say that means much though. Just because a character sells well here doesn't mean they will sell overseas. Captain America is a good example of this as his movies have drawn fairly low numbers compared to the others Marvel has dropped lately. (Excerpt Ant-man which was a new to the screen character.)

Superman may be a problem character to sell in China. MOS made $63,440,000 there. Iron Man 3 made double that and was released the same summer. We will have to wait and see how they take to this movie's marketing.

Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
 

Captain America didn't do well in China?