I feel this way as well.

Paramount announced while STII was still in theatres that the sequel would be titled The Search for Spock. I remember knowing this before seeing it. I think it was an attempt to calm all the backlash from the fans that were pissed hearing

You said it better than I could. Prior to Trek 09, there hadn't been a good Trek movie in 13 years and good trek tv for 10. I guess some people want to go back to the wonderful days of Voyager, Enterprise, and Nemesis

That elitist attitude you mention cuts both ways. For the last 4 years in both media and in casual life, there's been this meme going around that if you're a Trekkie and don't like JJTrek you're a genetic dead end, a mouth breather, an acne-ridden nerd with no life who lives in his parent's basement, ect. ect. It doesn't matter if you have substantial or cogent reasons why or not. It's brilliant way to make JJTrek critic-proof.

Why these films tork me off so much is that we're not going to get any REAL Trek ever again. And when I say Real Trek, I don't care if it's Kirk, Picard, Sisko or whoever as the head of the program. I don't care the setting or the series circumstance. We're not going to get anything challenging or thought-provoking in any future incarnations--because there's no $$$ in it. Paramount knows where it's bread is buttered in terms of Trek. We're just going to get a fancy version of Buck Rogers or Flash Gordon. Because Star Trek without a humanistic core, without probing the human condition, is just that: Buck Rogers or Flash Gordon.

It was never a requisite before 2009 to "Shut my brain off" in order to enjoy watching Star Trek.

Well, that's an understatement if I've ever heard one!

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I don't care if you hated Trek '09 (although your obsession with jumping in to bash it every single time it gets mentioned in these forums has long worn thin), and I don't think it's a reflection on you as a person if you do hate it.

But when you make comments that denigrate every single person who does like it, you're proving all of those preconceptions right. You come off as so afraid of change that all you can do is sit and yell "ABRAAAAAAAAMS" while everyone else actually gets to enjoy where Trek is right now.

I also don't buy into the sky is falling argument you make that Trek can never be thought provoking again. Abrams has set a new paradigm, but it's foolish to think that Trek will never change again.

All I know is your attitude will do more to turn people off to classic Trek than anything that's actually in classic Trek. I see this kind of thing all the time with Doctor Who fans who rail against the new series and shoot down anyone who says they like Tennant or Smith. It just makes them, and you, look embittered, and then you do get written off.

What is "Real Trek"? Is it the hokeyness of many TOS episodes? The comedy of Star Trek IV? The absurdity of Star Trek V? The sense of wonder in TNG? The elements of horror and suspense in First Contact? The political intrigue of Star Trek VI and DS9?

Trek before the current films was quite varied in quality and tone, and there is plenty of room for Trek '09 to join in that tradition.

Really? How have you missed about half of The Original Series?

The hotness of 7 of 9.

From what I gather, CBS has the TV rights while Paramount has movie rights, so there is still a possbility of a more traditional Trek show in the future. I've mentioned before in another thread that Michael Dorn and Brian Singer are pitching one.

I think it is good that the current movies don't have to fit in with the trappings of any existing series, because as great as a lot of the movies are, the cast at the time starts to look as tired as Roger Moore in A View To A Kill.

The flying sideways kick of Kirk in Spectre of the Gun.

Nope. Didn't you hear? Paramount knows how its bread is buttered!

Sisko:

Or many of TOS' female characters.

As far as the Star Trek films, I'd say Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country are the best for non-Trekkies.

Also, since tanman mentioned "The Inner Light"; another TNG episode worth seeing is "Tapestry" (S6:E15).

What I always liked about Trek were the interactions between the characters. My favorite part of every episode on TOS was the end. You had Bones and Spock slapping each other and Kirk smirking in the middle.

Then they would smile, arch an eyebrow or give a pained look and then off into the void until next week. I wanted to be on that ship with them.

Good stuff.

Damn, I must have forgotten to check Twitter that day. But seriously, I was a Trek fan and would have had to go to a magazine or fan club to hear that kind of thing since I wasn't plugged in to the industry like I am now. Maybe a newspaper if it was deemed worthy to print.

Exactly. Now they know that they can fashion Trek for the "Are You Ready for Some Football?" crowd and make huge bank for it, there's no chance in hell they'll ever risk their new golden goose with something like TNG or DS9 ever again.

Sure Trek could fall into dumb territory, (hello, Voyager). But, this new incarnation just gives a huge bearhug to stupidity and vulgarity. Humanist themes? F*** that. And if JJ messes up Star Wars, every begrudged fan should hush, lest they be labelled "embittered". "It's popular and makes money--that's all that matters! JJ has taken 'Wars' into a whole new direction!"

We'll never see anything groundbreaking like Neelix and Kes ever again.

Star Trek was at a dead end. It's not anymore. I'm glad about that. But I also think that nuTrek represents a pretty serious step away from its humanist underpinnings. Heck, the X-Men movies (still action-oriented) have cared a whole lot more about exploring the human condition thru sci-fi tropes than anything by JJ so far.

Thank you.

As a fan of Nemesis, I've had to endure years of bitching, from TREK FANS, about how Picard and Shinzon sitting around discussing their feelings was borrrrrr-innnng. Now we get a couple fast-paced films and the same Trek fans bitch about how there are no scenes of the characters sitting around discussing their feelings. Sometimes "fanboys" deserve the reputation they get.

I don't want characters sitting around talking about their feelings. I don't hate fast-paced stories. I want meaningful plots that speak to important themes--like how black&white-faced people should get along with white&black-faced people.