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Clerks III (D: Kevin Smith)

Old 08-12-19, 12:25 PM
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Everyone is mention that Smith's pot habit is what's causing his output to suffer, but I'd argue that the failure of Jersey Girl is what caused him to regress as a filmmaker. It was the first time that he tried to break out of his usual fare, but it got overshadowed by the Ben Affleck/Jennifer Lopez drama and ultimately rejected by his fanbase. After that he went back to the same old stuff that he was doing and never looked back.
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Old 08-12-19, 12:32 PM
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After that he went back to the same old stuff that he was doing and never looked back.
Except after that he made Cop Out, Red State, Tusk...
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Old 08-12-19, 01:03 PM
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I would argue that none of them show any growth as a filmmaker from a technical standpoint, and at least Jersey Girl looked more theatrical than any of his other films (which he would probably agree with).
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Old 08-12-19, 01:17 PM
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I think the thing with Kevin Smith is that he really, really struck gold with Clerks in 1994. That's a movie that not only nailed the Generation X zeitgeist, but also rode the wave of 90s independent cinema along with contemporaries like Linklater, Tarantino, and Rodriguez.

But, I think, in a lot of ways, Smith ended up being a regressive filmmaker. His follow-up to Clerks, Mallrats, felt like generic mid-90s Hollywood fluff that, despite a few laughs in the screenplay, felt very "committee."

His next movie, Chasing Amy, returned to his Clerks comfort zone, which was raw and talky and fly-on-the-wall.

I realize a lot of folks here liked Dogma, but I think that was his ultimate fall as an artist. On one hand, it's sort of an interesting genre movie, but the religion themes he's playing with don't really work with the parade of dick jokes and shit monsters. It's ulitimately, like Mallrats, too polished-looking for its own good, and feels cartoony when it shouldn't. It's like a Troma movie with a Hollywood budget.

His Jay and Silent Bob stuff, outside of Clerks, too often comes off as indulgent and inside-jokey, and it's not surprising that it flounders at the box office.

I did like Zack and Miri Make a Porno, though. It mostly felt like a return to form; relationship troubles, a constant stream of scatology and sex jokes, character study.

I really think Smith should have stuck with writing, which is his strongest talent, or maybe gotten into producing, because he just feels like a one-trick pony as an auteur director.
I agree with all of the above. I also thought that Red State was sorely underrated and showed a side of his talent that I'd never seen before. If I had seen the film without knowing that he was the director, I would never have guessed that he was responsible for it.
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Old 08-12-19, 07:01 PM
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I agree that Red State was good and itís a shame that it didnít help Smith propel his career/filmmaking abilities.
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Old 08-12-19, 08:36 PM
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I agree that Red State was good and itís a shame that it didnít help Smith propel his career/filmmaking abilities.
Oh shit I forgot about Red State. I liked that at the time.
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Old 08-13-19, 01:25 AM
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Red State, like Tusk, etc., falls apart before the end.
It's a pattern of Smith's.
I don't know why exactly...his stuff definitely comes across as half-baked (pun intended).
It's as though he is more of an "idea guy," rather than a craftsman.
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Old 08-14-19, 04:22 PM
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I would argue that none of them show any growth as a filmmaker from a technical standpoint, and at least Jersey Girl looked more theatrical than any of his other films (which he would probably agree with).
For reason I can't understand Tusk deeply disturbed me, in a way I haven't felt sense watching The Shining for the first time. Not saying it is on that level but I thought it was a very underrated horror movie. Especially for something that came from him and his Producer smoking pot and thinking up a wacky story on a podcast.
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For reason I can't understand Tusk deeply disturbed me, in a way I haven't felt sense watching The Shining for the first time. Not saying it is on that level but I thought it was a very underrated horror movie.
It was "disturbing" and underrated...right up until he throw it all out the window with his ridiculous juvenile ending (I guess he couldn't help himself).
After hanging with the story for an hour and 40 minutes only to pull the rug out, and essentially say to the audience it was all B.S. and never meant to be a serious attempt at a horror movie.
Yeah, well, F.U. too Kevin.
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Old 08-18-19, 06:51 PM
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Smith has a new gig:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...214549147.html
I hope NF isn't expecting much...
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Old 08-18-19, 07:03 PM
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Wow, that sounds pretty cool. Then again, this could end up on the pile of a dozen other projects that never came to fruition for Smith.
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Old 08-18-19, 09:06 PM
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Smith has a new gig:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...214549147.html
I hope NF isn't expecting much...
Well, he finally achieved his goal of working for Netflix; he's been pitching stuff to them for years now and was always turned down.
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Old 08-18-19, 11:09 PM
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So now he's relegated to doing children's programming?
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Old 08-19-19, 02:39 AM
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Well, he finally achieved his goal of working for Netflix; he's been pitching stuff to them for years now and was always turned down.
If Smith is anything, he is the 2nd best self-promoter in the country...
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For reason I can't understand Tusk deeply disturbed me, in a way I haven't felt sense watching The Shining for the first time.
For me, itís that character being in a helpless situation. And body mutilation always gets to me.
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Old 08-19-19, 03:01 PM
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I thought Tusk scratched the surface of being disturbing but Smith's lack of gravitas and inexperience in the genre really held it back from being truly disturbing.
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Old 08-19-19, 06:41 PM
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I thought Tusk scratched the surface of being disturbing but Smith's lack of gravitas and inexperience in the genre really held it back from being truly disturbing.
Maybe he'll get it right with "Moose Jaws."
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Maybe he'll get it right with "Moose Jaws."
I think that project is DOA.
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