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This is one of those well known movies of all time. I used to love it in the mid 00s, then forgot labout it, then revisited again watching it ad nauseum in my latter teens, it was like some sort of holy bible on what it means to be a MAN! Then and now it looks kind of jokey, except as an amalgam of some forgotten epic 80s that might not have existed but maybe in a twilight zone. In that regard it is good. However Tony is despicable, and is probably NOT cool as i thought him to be now that i'm older/wiser, etc (thought i wish i was in a dumber state to enjoy it).

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Not bad but Carlito's Way is 100X better

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:thumbsup:

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Watched it because it is referenced so much. Meh. Tony wasn't likeable at all. Probably won't ever watch it again.

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But the women in this country when you do that, they know, they understand, they go crazy. It's gonna take a lot of practice but you gotta learn because women love when you flop the pussy.

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I'm not a big Scarface guy, but I do love a lot of his films. Not a huge fan of his recent output... but hey I like The Fury, so what the fuck do I know?

He's the third best filmmaker at this table.

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This is my biggest problem with Scarface - most of the people who enjoy it are idiots who don't understand Tony is scum and you aren't supposed to root for him.

I'd also add that most of the De Palma films I've seen have looked like warmed over TV movies. For whatever reason he doesn't create visually impressive movies.

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I say 4th best...but we know who brings up the rear :)

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I like it but don't love it. The final shoot out is one for the ages though. I prefer the original Scarface.

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SCARFACE holds a special place in my heart because I saw it on 42nd Street, Manhattan's famed "Deuce," before they cleaned it up. Ahh, the good ol' days.

Tony Montana's a hungry guy who has no restraints. Someone like that can only go so far in the criminal world before someone whacks him. In the film, though, he has a late crisis of conscience, which I found interesting and compelling. I wish more had been made of it. And I wish the final sequence had been longer and more dramatic. It ends a little too quickly.

But, unfortunately, the film influenced and inspired a lot of criminals and aspiring drug dealers. Especially in their choice of weapons. This was not a good thing. If there's an afterlife, De Palma and Oliver Stone (the screenwriter) will have to answer for that. (As will all the idiots who thought they could become Tony Montana.)

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I like it a lot. It runs on energy and self destruction instead of plot and I always love those kinds films. I think it lives up to hype and is one of the better "gangster" flicks.

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I really really enjoy Scarface. Just like the style, look, everything about it. It's not an amazing movie like some of the minority youth of my age make it out to be but I really enjoy it. It's entertaining. Very much a piece of it's decade.

I don't think we're supposed to like Tony. If we are, I didn't feel it. It's just watching a guy rise from the bottom to only go to the top of his excess and then come gloriously crashing down to his end. It's a very cool flick..that's all it is.

I've always wondered...wtf is up w/ that guy in the costume and mask dancing in the nightclub before Tony gets shot and has to kill Frank? That part always makes me confused. Like...what's so cool about that? Was that like an 80s thing that I just don't know about or was that guy known for his shtick or what?

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Bingo! I don't get why a character has to be likable to enjoy a movie. If the character is intriguing, I don't give a fuck. Good, bad, just be interesting.

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The guy is scum. He may have a respectable standard w/ his "no women, no kids" but beyond that? Ain't nothing to like about him as a person. Also...that's his fall. The guy would do everything else...but when it came to that..he couldn't do it. And in that business? No way...you've got to take down whatever that needs to go down in anyway possible. He was his own demise for being a dumb fuck about it. The guy had it coming, end of story. It was done very well thankfully.

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People are deluding themselves if they haven't realized some viewers have idolized Tony Montana and tried to ape his persona. It's depressing and is a case of the negative impact of art on the real world. There are examples of positive influence such as Schindler's List and there are examples of negative influence such as Scarface.

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I prefer the 1932 original, which was loosely based on Al Capone. I do think it's interesting to compare the 1932 original to the 1983 updated remake because they share some plot points, but I think the remake is too over the top and too cheesy to take very seriously. Yeah, it's fun to watch, but I don't think it's a very good gangster film at all (although it did somehow end up in the 10th spot on AFI's Top 10 Gangster Films List ).

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Thanks for that pic. Never saw it before.

Scarface is a good flick. Ruthless and brutal. Entertaining and intense.

I love the camerawork and music. The Miami apartment scene was grisley and brutal. Watching Tony make bad decisions . It's one of those movies that, no matter how many times I watch it, I wish that I'd see something different happen to the characters.

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Pfft, Scarface is still better than Schindler's List.

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I agree with all this but especially the bolded part.

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Interesting to know that Speilberg directed some of the mansion shoot-out.

Cool to know. Do you remember which theater you saw it in?

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100% agree. I've heard the complaints around here that someone didn't like a movie because the lead character wasn't likable. I've never understood that.

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Have you been watching his movies in full screen on t.v.?

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I do not agree, IMO DePalma is really good at framing images and getting the best out of the cinematography.
His use of split screen, strange camera angles and panning is excellent.

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One thing that I read in the movie reviews back in (1983) was that Tony had desires for his sister.
All the times I have rewatched this movie I never see it.
I just see a older brother just protecting his little sister.
He never kisses her on the mouth or grabs her ass.

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I say third. The other 2 Italians are 1st & 2nd.

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Oh hey it's Cheech in the background too.

That table is just missing Milius and Carpenter for the fullblown 70s revival. Also Leone should be standing in back of them as the the "cinematic father" of this family.

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Infinitely watchable because it's so bad. One of the worst Cuban accents in cinema. The people who idolize Montana or think this is an actual great film are morons. Original is 100X better.

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DISAGREED.
Who gives a fuck about accuracy with Cuban accents, good enough, just like Wallach's Mexican accent in GBU was good enough. It's cinema not documentary.

The latin cocaine scene is more interesting than the american prohibition scene.

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Scarface is a fun movie that I still pop in whenever I want something on that doesn't require much thought and I've got a good alcohol buzz. Kind of the same way it worked in college. ;)

Bottomline: it's a guy movie classic, but nothing else IMO.

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That's more a thing with the original that sort of carried over to the remake. In the original, Tony's mother flat out states that Tony is in love with his sister. In the remake, it was changed to an overprotective big brother.

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You don't have to kiss someone or grab their ass to have desire for a person. You can look at them from a distance with binoculars and smear your semen on a Polaroid of them. Tony definitely wanted to bang his sister. It's part of the reason he's so fucking angry. And it's why he shot Manny. He got to do what he's always desired to. But I think you secretly know this.

P.S.-Now that you know that there are other ways to express desire, please stop kissing/grabbing my ass.

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I pretty much despise this movie, mainly because of the group it gets the majority of its love from. Rappers, thugs and just about every other ass clown seem to think this is God's gift to cinema. I think its mediocre Pacino...at best.

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When I was in high school Scarface was my number one sought after movie on DVD. It was OOP and commanding extremely high prices online.

I loved the movie when I was younger. The hip-hop audience who embraced it for the wrong reasons always bugged me. Today I still like the movie but it doesn't mean as much to me as it used to.

Speaking of, I don't have a copy of this on DVD and every now and again I'd like to pop it in. That Platinum Edition that came out a few years ago has a remixed soundtrack which doesn't make me happy at all. Does that edition, which is the only one that I think is still in print, contain the original audio track or is it just the remixed shit?

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I wonder what is going through George Lucas mind in this picture lol

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Hah
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Maybe a smile is just a smile bro.

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excellent picture of the director's club :lol: and great films BTW.

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I originally saw the film during my high school days and thought it was one of the greatest films ever.

Today I still appreciate the visual flair, musical score, and the overall design. However, rewatching it, combined with taking into consideration the effect it had on younger viewers as well as immature adults, I now despise the film.

Oliver Stone and DePalma maybe were trying to show how the criminal life ruins everything it touches. Tony's friend Angel is tortured to death because of Tony's desire to make fast money. Tony's sister becomes a drug addict and a slut after he gives her money and tells her to quit her job. And in the end he's not even happy with all the money because everyone hates him, and in the end he's all alone to be murdered by people looking to come up, just like he was.

However, this is not the message some people got from the film. Tony Montana is the films protagonist so there are efforts to make him likeable or atleast sympathetic as well as someone willing to make money by any means necessary. Take a look at the people he's shown to murder:

*A communist who is said to have tortured people while in Cuba
*A drug dealer who tried to rip them off and who also murdered his friend Angel
*A corrupt cop who's on the drug dealers payroll
*Assassins trying to kill him
*His former boss who tried to have him killed
*And Sosa's henchmen who was about to kill children

They don't see his character flaws as having to do with him being a criminal, but in him getting addicted to his own product and becoming overly paranoid.
Also look at the irresponsible Def Jam documentary that accompanies the Two-Disc DVD edition.

I still like Carlito's Way. Pacino's characters is still the macho anti-hero stereotype but the message was more clear, especially when Carlito's nephew is killed. "You said these were your friends but there ain't no friends in this shit business."

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I love the movie. It was part of my youth. You see My parents were born in Cuba and came over in 1960 when they were like 8 years old. I was born in 74 and have lived my whole life in Miami. There hasn't been another movie that has captured the look and lifestyle of Miami in any other movie as well as it was in Scarface.

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Fell in love with it in high school, during my mafia movie phase. When I got to college, I realized just how big it was. Seemed like everyone had a Scarface poster in their dorm. Now its still one of my favorites of the genre, along with Casino.

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