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RocShemp 08-29-12 06:41 AM

Re: The Prestige question
 
I never saw The Illusionist but those that had seen it told me it was more of a love story. I dunno how accurate that is, though.

Noonan 08-29-12 07:18 AM

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It was more of a love story than Prestige for sure. Good movie but Prestige was on another level.

DeanoBKN 08-29-12 08:08 AM

Re: The Prestige question
 
I remember lending my DVD (and then Blu-Ray) to many friends who had never even heard of the movie before. They were all blown away by it. It truly is a great movie.

boredsilly 08-29-12 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11363844)
I think The Illusionist had more visual flair than The Prestige but the latter beats the shit out it. I haven't seen the former in a while, it wasn't bad but I think it lacked a bit in the story for me if I remember correctly.

I know a lot of people really enjoyed The Illusionist, but even when it comes to visual flair, I felt like Prestige was better. The Illusionist felt really cheap to me because it relied so much on cgi and that was just boring to me. I loved that The Prestige had tricks that were based on practical tricks. I've seen both movies for the first time within the last month, and I was completely transfixed by Prestige, and pretty bored by The Illusionist (though Giamatti was great in the flick).

Solid Snake 08-29-12 11:35 AM

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I was talking about the cgi etc as the flair. The Prestige had it all practical and didn't use it as a gimmick though it was very much a large subject for the story...it didn't push itself out like The Illusionist..granted..that film had another story to tell...

WeylandYutani 08-29-12 04:40 PM

Re: The Prestige question
 
The moment sci-fi entered this story this movie sank.

Clones. Seriously? Clones?

The first 2/3rds of this film are great. The parts without any tired, ridiculous mentions of science-fiction clones.

yeah.

Dash 08-29-12 04:44 PM

Re: The Prestige question
 
This is one of my 3 favorite movies of all time. Just seeing this thread makes me want to re watch it. Ill post back when its fresh again.

whoopdido 08-29-12 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WeylandYutani (Post 11364525)
The moment sci-fi entered this story this movie sank.

Clones. Seriously? Clones?

The first 2/3rds of this film are great. The parts without any tired, ridiculous mentions of science-fiction clones.

yeah.

Interesting that somebody with the name "WeylandYutani" is complaining about sci-fi aspects within a movie.

WeylandYutani 08-29-12 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by whoopdido (Post 11364539)
Interesting that somebody with the name "WeylandYutani" is complaining about sci-fi aspects within a movie.


I don't see why, in this case. I think even this film's most ardent fans would attest that THE PRESTIGE's first half is far more interesting than it's latter.

RocShemp 08-29-12 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WeylandYutani (Post 11364564)
I don't see why, in this case. I think even this film's most ardent fans would attest that THE PRESTIGE's first half is far more interesting than it's latter.

No. It was fascinating from start to finish.

And it makes sense. Angier was a great showman. He was all about spectacle. So his trick was so complex it was real.

Borden was a great magician. He created a simple illusion that baffled people and made them wonder how he was achieving such a "complex illusion".

The means employed by each man to achieve the Transported Man fit their personas to a T.

fumanstan 08-29-12 06:18 PM

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I mentioned some people not liking the end earlier, and its easy to see why. The first 2/3rds of the movie play realistically like it could have really happened, and all of a sudden switches to the ability to make clones. I can see how that could take someone out of the movie.

JTH182 08-29-12 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11364610)
I mentioned some people not liking the end earlier, and its easy to see why. The first 2/3rds of the movie play realistically like it could have really happened, and all of a sudden switches to the ability to make clones. I can see how that could take someone out of the movie.


I can understand that, but I liked the direction the movie took because all of a sudden it was like "oh shit, magic is REAL"

Solid Snake 08-29-12 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JTH182 (Post 11364616)
I can understand that, but I liked the direction the movie took because all of a sudden it was like "oh shit, magic is REAL"

THIS. Everything plays out so practical that even the viewer wonders how it's done..than much like the characters as well...the shit does exist..but..not in the way it was believed to be. It's easily my favorite Nolan just cuz of the fucked up morality of the obsession and their own ethics involved. Love it.

brayzie 08-30-12 01:37 AM

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No, the clone aspect didn't ruin it at all, and I don't consider the first half to be better than the second since it was great from start to finish. In fact the SF aspect has gotten me more interested in Tesla and reading about scientific breakthroughs during that time.

The whole time we don't know what Borden's method is and when his wife says, "I know what you are!" that just ramps up the intrigue.

I like how Nolan is the magician for this film experience making us think one thing, like when Alfred says "abracadabra" before he hangs then appears before Angier to shoot him. But we later find out that's not what happened at all. It's really a beautiful film and is enjoyable on different levels.

Dr. DVD 11-01-12 09:13 AM

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Just watched this last night for Halloween. This is one of the few movies that gets better with each viewing, and amazes me with how much is visible that one wouldn't know to notice. The movie's opening line of "are you watching closely" is very applicable. Some things that stand out moreso with later viewings, which might have been mentioned before:

Spoiler:


-Borden not remembering what knot he tied.
-ScarJo commenting that she can't find anything about the trick in the dressing room, just glasses and wigs (these, of course, are what makes Borden into Fallon.
-When Borden is about to go to his hanging and tosses the ball to Fallon. Just noticed the significance of this last night.
-The parallel of the birds with Angiers and his duplicates.


I also think it's interesting how there are three acts to a magic trick and how it is applied to the three act structure of the movie itself.

One question I still have:
Spoiler:
At what times are we seeing the "jerk" Borden who is obsessed with magic and doesn't love his wife ,and when are we seeing the one that is mostly a nice guy? Some are obvious, but other times not as much. It is obvious that the one that dies is the less sympathetic of the two, and it is kind of a fitting end for him, as he is pulling off the ultimate magic trick in the process.

Timber 11-01-12 09:52 AM

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Exactly right on your second spoiler. In the end they both get exactly what they want. One pulls off the ultimate "magic trick" and the other gets to live life with his daughter.

There was a link posted somewhere in this thread that had a rundown on who was who in what scenes and while I don't think it's perfect it makes a lot of sense in most cases.

Jay G. 11-01-12 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 11450308)
One question I still have:
Spoiler:
At what times are we seeing the "jerk" Borden who is obsessed with magic and doesn't love his wife ,and when are we seeing the one that is mostly a nice guy? Some are obvious, but other times not as much. It is obvious that the one that dies is the less sympathetic of the two, and it is kind of a fitting end for him, as he is pulling off the ultimate magic trick in the process.

This was linked to before.=:

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 11361492)
Here's an interesting table someone made that shows which twin is Borden and which is Fallon at different points in the film:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7752527/pres...hoisborden.htm

Note that the article is just best guesses, with reasoning provided. I don't think anyone knows for certain which is which in each scene except for the Nolans and Bale.

Dr. DVD 11-01-12 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Timber (Post 11450336)
Exactly right on your second spoiler. In the end they both get exactly what they want. One pulls off the ultimate "magic trick" and the other gets to live life with his daughter.

There was a link posted somewhere in this thread that had a rundown on who was who in what scenes and while I don't think it's perfect it makes a lot of sense in most cases.

What's more fitting is that the daughter has now become heir to Lord Cadlow's fortune, which lends itself to the theory of just when Borden decided to make this the ultimate trick.

whoopdido 11-01-12 10:59 AM

Re: The Prestige question
 

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 11450308)
Just watched this last night for Halloween. This is one of the few movies that gets better with each viewing, and amazes me with how much is visible that one wouldn't know to notice. The movie's opening line of "are you watching closely" is very applicable. Some things that stand out moreso with later viewings, which might have been mentioned before:

Spoiler:


-Borden not remembering what knot he tied.
-ScarJo commenting that she can't find anything about the trick in the dressing room, just glasses and wigs (these, of course, are what makes Borden into Fallon.
-When Borden is about to go to his hanging and tosses the ball to Fallon. Just noticed the significance of this last night.
-The parallel of the birds with Angiers and his duplicates.


I also think it's interesting how there are three acts to a magic trick and how it is applied to the three act structure of the movie itself.

One question I still have:
Spoiler:
At what times are we seeing the "jerk" Borden who is obsessed with magic and doesn't love his wife ,and when are we seeing the one that is mostly a nice guy? Some are obvious, but other times not as much. It is obvious that the one that dies is the less sympathetic of the two, and it is kind of a fitting end for him, as he is pulling off the ultimate magic trick in the process.

If I remember correctly, and this is VERY basic...

Spoiler:
the "nice" Borden is the one that loves his wife and daughter, while the "other" Borden is the one that bangs ScarJo. You can tell which is which by how they react to the wife. One obviously loves her, while the other just pretends to love her and the wife, although she doesn't know they are two different people, can easily tell when she's with the "other" one that doesn't love her.


Oops. Nevermind. I just reread your question and you were asking a more detailed question. Seems like you already knew what I said in my answer. Yeah, the table posted above does a pretty good job of explaining the differences in the other scenes.

Dr. DVD 11-01-12 02:12 PM

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Good link. Essentially, hothead Borden is Frederick, and calm/likeable Borden is Albert.

whoopdido 11-01-12 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 11450719)
Good link. Essentially, hothead Borden is Frederick, and calm/likeable Borden is Albert.

Pretty much. After you see it a few times, I feel it's pretty easy to tell the two apart.

WeylandYutani 11-01-12 06:19 PM

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Good movie, done in by an overly obvious and stupid ending.

7/10

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Solid Snake 11-01-12 07:59 PM

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Obvious how exactly?

Jay G. 11-01-12 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11451141)
Obvious how exactly?

I'd be interested to know how too. Having read the book, I already knew the methods for the trick going in (although the movie changes one method in a slight but important way), so I can't honestly say whether the movie presented them in an obvious way or not.

SuckaMC 11-01-12 09:09 PM

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Can you detail the books explanation in a spoiler? You have me curious what the difference is. Thanks.


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