Originally Posted by PatD (Post 11351475)

This.

While Schumacher gets all the blame heaped on him for Batman's Cinematic Shame Spiral of the 90s, lets not forget that Returns embraced the loony preposterousness whole hog too--and ultimately set that spiral in motion. You want two bad guys teaming up for full campy effect? You got it. You want to bend the laws of physics or reality in general as blatantly as you please? Look no further. You want terrible one-liners like: "Eat floor, more fiber" and god-awful puns being tossed around like a dinghy in a hurricane? You found your movie.

I was 14 years old when this movie came out and I my jaw dropped at different it was from Batman '89. I remember thinking: "The penguins becoming pall bearers for the newly deceased Penguin? Puh-leez."

While Bats 89 had a modicum of silliness, it had decent grounding in its half-way believable settings and characters. It was a clear progenitor of the Nolan-Batman movies.

And lastly: I don't care if the ghost of Fritz Lang gave his ethereal blessing for Batman Returns supposed homage to German Expressionism--its not worth turning the Batman mythos into a silverscreen shit sandwich throughout the 90s.

Originally Posted by PatD (Post 11351475)

This.

While Schumacher gets all the blame heaped on him for Batman's Cinematic Shame Spiral of the 90s, lets not forget that Returns embraced the loony preposterousness whole hog too--and ultimately set that spiral in motion. You want two bad guys teaming up for full campy effect? You got it. You want to bend the laws of physics or reality in general as blatantly as you please? Look no further. You want terrible one-liners like: "Eat floor, more fiber" and god-awful puns being tossed around like a dinghy in a hurricane? You found your movie.

I was 14 years old when this movie came out and I my jaw dropped at different it was from Batman '89. I remember thinking: "The penguins becoming pall bearers for the newly deceased Penguin? Puh-leez."

While Bats 89 had a modicum of silliness, it had decent grounding in its half-way believable settings and characters. It was a clear progenitor of the Nolan-Batman movies.

And lastly: I don't care if the ghost of Fritz Lang gave his ethereal blessing for Batman Returns supposed homage to German Expressionism--its not worth turning the Batman mythos into a silverscreen shit sandwich throughout the 90s.

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11351506)

Batman and Returns are equally silly. The setting was in no way believable. The over the top production design was pretty to look at, but never comes close to anything like reality. The Joker is as over the top as the Penguin.

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11351506)

Batman and Returns are equally silly. The setting was in no way believable. The over the top production design was pretty to look at, but never comes close to anything like reality. The Joker is as over the top as the Penguin.

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11351506)

Batman and Returns are equally silly. The setting was in no way believable. The over the top production design was pretty to look at, but never comes close to anything like reality. The Joker is as over the top as the Penguin.

Originally Posted by PatD (Post 11351540)

I respectfully disagree. Saying that is the equivalent of saying the silly factor of Superman The Movie and Superman III are of equal measure.

Originally Posted by lamphorn (Post 11351683)

In what world is Batman Returns more campy or silly than Batman '89?

Originally Posted by lamphorn (Post 11351683)

In what world is Batman Returns more campy or silly than Batman '89? The Joker dancing around to Prince, that crazy pistol? Returns is a lot darker and creepier.
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Originally Posted by lamphorn (Post 11351683)

The scene when Michelle Pfeiffer becomes catwoman, rampaging around her apartment and smashing up her little girl things is worth the price of admission.