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hanshotfirst1138 05-06-15 12:16 AM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
Originally Posted by Obi-Wan Jabroni (Post 12469271)
So what kind of trailers did everyone get? I was quite disappointed that I didn't get either Star Wars or Bats v. Supes. I got this lovely lineup:

Ant-Man
San Andreas
Pixels
The Gift
I got Ant Man, Batman vs. Superman, Pixels, Dope (odd thing to put with a superhero flick), Fantastic Four, Jurassic World. No Bond, no Mad Max, no Star Wars (thank God, I'm seeing that one everywhere)

ultimaton 05-06-15 01:14 AM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
Alamo Drafthouse:
Clue quote-a-long
The Connection
Tomorrowland
Ant-Man

They also showed a video from India that culminated in a really bad CGI Hulk fighting a guy in a rocket launching, chain-gun equipped rickshaw. :lol:

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12473373)
Most of the critiques I've seen is that for all the references to the red in her ledger, her crisis isn't that she used to be a bloodthirsty assassin, her crisis is that she can't be a mom.
Interesting.
Spoiler:
My wife (also unable to have kids) and I really thought that was Banner's crisis, not Nat's, and that her feelings of being a monster and the red in her ledger referred to everything she underwent and was forced to do by the Red Room, of which being forcibly sterilized was only a part. Especially given the context of her appearance in Winter Soldier.

hanshotfirst1138 05-06-15 06:32 AM
Spoiler:
That's what I thought that she meant as well. Being sterilized was just the final component, she was saying that she was basically turned into a soulless killing machine who's job was to do nasty black ops missions and other dirty work.

Brack 05-06-15 09:00 AM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
I saw it again, and the trailers were all specific to the theatre chain itself. It's an independent theatre chain, however.

stp115 05-06-15 02:11 PM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12473373)
Most of the critiques I've seen is that for all the references to the red in her ledger, her crisis isn't that she used to be a bloodthirsty assassin, her crisis is that she can't be a mom.
Right, but the "red in her ledger" comments are constant across multiple movies, whereas, unless I'm wrong, this is her first complaint about not being able to have any kids. And it was in direct response to Bruce stating that he couldn't father kids. Do his comments not count somehow?

In any case, the argument that Joss Whedon is a misogynist is pretty weak anyways. He's consistently written strong female characters and usually when he plays into a trope, it's for effect. I would argue that nothing that he's written is misogynistic as Twilight or 50 Shades of Grey.

Undeadcow 05-06-15 02:16 PM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
Regarding Black Widow, in the comics
Spoiler:
she develops a mission of trying to right wrongs she created as an assassin by doing favors for her previous victims (or their relatives); working off a list
Maybe the ledger was a reference to that...

Supermallet 05-06-15 02:38 PM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
Originally Posted by stp115 (Post 12474072)
Right, but the "red in her ledger" comments are constant across multiple movies, whereas, unless I'm wrong, this is her first complaint about not being able to have any kids. And it was in direct response to Bruce stating that he couldn't father kids. Do his comments not count somehow?

In any case, the argument that Joss Whedon is a misogynist is pretty weak anyways. He's consistently written strong female characters and usually when he plays into a trope, it's for effect. I would argue that nothing that he's written is misogynistic as Twilight or 50 Shades of Grey.
I also don't think Whedon is a misogynist, but I do think that emphasizing Widow's inability to have children (coupled with comments like "I'm always picking up after you boys" and the infantilization of The Hulk) shifted her character from the red in her ledger toward something else. It's an odd move considering that they spent all the previous movies emphasizing her past as a killer.

Shannon Nutt 05-06-15 02:44 PM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
As for trailers, I saw a 2D version at my local Cinemark and didn't get Star Wars OR (surprisingly) Ant Man.

We did get:

Masterminds
Tomorrowland
The Last Witch Hunter

stingermck 05-06-15 02:50 PM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
Just write Black Widow out of the next movie. No female characters until fans can behave :lol:

Undeadcow 05-06-15 03:16 PM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
Thematically it makes sense for a desensitized assassin to fall in love with an embodiment of rage; sort of a visual representation of emotionless killing finding over-exaggerated emotion. Black Widow
Spoiler:
being sterile
didn't seem to fit in with the tone of the rest of the movie.

stp115 05-06-15 03:29 PM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12474106)
I also don't think Whedon is a misogynist, but I do think that emphasizing Widow's inability to have children (coupled with comments like "I'm always picking up after you boys" and the infantilization of The Hulk) shifted her character from the red in her ledger toward something else. It's an odd move considering that they spent all the previous movies emphasizing her past as a killer.
I'm saying this as a person who recognizes that reasonable people can disagree. So only in my head am I saying that you are wrongwrongwrong. :)

It seems to me that they have been for a long time setting up Cap as the dad and BW as the mom. She is a badass. That being said, they have been downplaying her badass skills of late.

Draven 05-06-15 04:27 PM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
Originally Posted by stp115 (Post 12474179)
It seems to me that they have been for a long time setting up Cap as the dad and BW as the mom. She is a badass. That being said, they have been downplaying her badass skills of late.
How so? She kicked nine kinds of ass in Winter Soldier and more than held her own in Ultron too.

stp115 05-06-15 09:30 PM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
Originally Posted by Draven (Post 12474242)
How so? She kicked nine kinds of ass in Winter Soldier and more than held her own in Ultron too.
Well in Avengers she went from tied up in a chair to kicking multiple people's asses. In Winter Soldier, she was actually holding up the action at times (first fight). In Ultron, she held her own, but certainly didn't have any standout fight scenes that I can think of. Like I said, I think that she has the #2 leadership role in the team, but she's on par with Hawkeye in terms of abilities, not Thor.

tbryson880 05-06-15 10:14 PM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
So I went and watched this. Loved it!!!!!!

RocShemp 05-10-15 07:11 PM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
Medieval Avengers

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/upload...15-970x545.jpg

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/upload...n-05102015.jpghttp://nerdist.com/wp-content/upload...w-05102015.jpg

JTH182 05-10-15 10:04 PM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
Originally Posted by tbryson880 (Post 12474573)
So I went and watched this. Loved it!!!!!!

I was waiting for your review. Thanks!

kgrogers1979 06-27-15 12:36 PM
Re: The Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015, Whedon)
 
Avengers of Oz: Age of Tin Man

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