Gunde

Yes they are. And the robot designs are way cooler too.

Sonic

I thought the same thing. I find the robots more refined and smoothed out, especially bumblebee he looks closer to the comics/cartoon.

The robots in the Bay movies look too messy.

RocShemp

That was a joke, right? If not, Prime has had flames on his chest since the first Bay movie.

I'd like this scenario very much. The problem is Bay. He refuses to focus on the robots. I saw a quote from him (trying to remember where) in which he insisted you can't focus on the robots because he's making live action movies and doing it all robots would make it an animated movie.

Although even the cartoons had humans in them, the better ones always sidelined the humans. The shittier shows tried to put the humans front an center. As Snake and others have mentioned here and elsewhere, NEST is fine. And Sam could work if his focus was fixed on the Autobots and Decepticons. Not some mundane bullshit. It pisses me off that the first film had a perfect template. You start with a kid trying to get a car to impress a girl. Then it all suddenly shifts and he's caught in the middle of an intergalactic war. Unfortunately, Bay keeps insisting that his writers keep focusing on the normal world. It's like the classic hero's journey but it's stalled on the refusal to the call, with no signs of progress.

Lastblade

I am cautiously optimistic about this. Enjoyed 3 a lot, at least way more than 1 and 2 combined.

I rewatched 2 by skipping forward to just the robot fighting scenes and the movie became a lot better.

Solid Snake

As before...I'll go in hoping it's better than the last one. That's the most I can hope for.

whoopdido

Yeah, I'm a moron. I kinda forgot what Rodimus looked like. He never had those little horn thingies that Optimus has. The Transformer in that poster just didn't look like Optimus to me at first glance, but the more I look at it, that's who it is.

Bay really blew it when he killed off Optimus in the second movie only to bring him back to life in the same movie. I'm sure some of it is just nostalgia, but the 1986 movie handled it right. It killed off Optimus and a bunch of other "original" Transformers so "new" ones could take over. Of course that was only done so Hasbro could introduce new toys, but it made for a good movie. THEN, later on they were able to bring Optimus back to life to save the day.

Optimus SHOULD have died and stayed dead in the second movie, or better yet he should have died in the third movie instead. Bay supposedly planned on only making 3 movies so why not kill off Optimus in his swan song movie? So, he's dead in the third one and then the fourth one can have some huge threat (Unicron) and the Autobots and their new leader, Rodimus Prime, are completely outmatched, but somehow they bring Optimus back to life and he saves the day. Am I crazy or couldn't that have worked?

RocShemp

You, sir, are not crazy. Especially if both Prime and Megatron had bit it. That way you could have a Rodimus Prime movie versus a new enemy. Like, say, instead of making Shockwave a throwaway henchman, have him be the baddie of a film sans Optimus Prime and Megatron. Then the next film introduces Galvatron. And have him be so badass (and, worse still, just a taste of the power Unicron wields) that their only hope is to revive Optimus Prime.

Of course the problem with all this is that it leaves little time for sex jokes, Sam being a douche, and redundant human characters to chew the scenery. You know, the "real" reason people see these movies.

Sonic

So part 4 will be a different direction. Perhaps battling in Cybertron?

whoopdido

Ya know I don't HATE the Transformers movies...they're decent I guess, but a large part of me thinks that they actually could have been really good. I mean like REALLY good. I'm not necessarily a Bay hater either. I like a lot of his movies, but maybe he just wasn't the right person to do these movies.

We can all second guess until the cows come home but it just seems like he made the wrong choice at every opportunity and ruined what could have been a really quality franchise.

Maybe in twenty years or so we can get a reboot that does these characters right.

Off topic big time, but I'm also holding out hope that HBO remakes the Harry Potter series a la Game of Thrones where each book is a say 5-10 episode season. I think the first two books would struggle to fill many hour long episodes, but once you got to the third one, it would be easy and maybe 10 episodes wouldn't even be enough for the later books. I'm rereading that series again (almost done with the 6th book) and it's criminal how much stuff was deleted to fit into a 2 1/2 hour movie, or 5 hour movie in the case of the last book.

Remakes aren't all bad. When they don't get it right the first time, then a remake is definitely a good thing.

RocShemp

I'd take his comments with a whole sack full of salt. This is the man who had previously insisted TF3 wasn't going to be as bloated as its predecessors and lack "stupid humor". Look how that turned out.

The only promise he kept was regarding the Twins being excluded. And they were actually a last minute removal (Sentinel Prime originally killed them both during the same scene he killed Ironhide).

Sonic

banthafett

Wow, I never seen or heard of the games. Those trailers looked awesome. Guess the first shitty movie made me ignore all things TF, where I thought everything that came out was those stupid designs. Gonna go and order the first game now.

Greg MacGuffin

Yeah guys, after all this is a movie about talking robots that turn into cars. We don't want to get carried away or anything.

Troy Stiffler

That's now how it works.

He kept it grounded with the romance stuff, family stuff, military stuff. Going full sci-fi is kind of like going full retard. If you go too far out, you have Tank Girl or Aeon Flux (those aren't great examples, but I can't think of any "full on" sci-fi movies right now). Then you're hardly appealing to any audience.

Greg MacGuffin

You're right. The movies are perfect the way they are.

Why So Blu?

Bay wants to keep it "grounded?" Yeah okay.

Iron_Giant

He has robbed my childhood.

Greg MacGuffin

Seriously, have you seen the Transformer movies? They're about as "full retard" as you can get.

Let's see, Avatar, Prometheus, Inception. Yeah, audiences hate sci-fi movies.

Troy Stiffler

The "full retard" statement was a similarity to how "grounded" or "ungrounded" a movie can be. But, yea, Transformers did go intellectually full retard. Hehe.

You're not understanding. Those are more examples of grounded movies.

There's a simple, fundamental reason why a moviegoer can latch onto a genre movie. And it's ... grounding (or "identifiability")

Anyways, contact me next time you're trying to make a movie and I'll go into more details.

Greg MacGuffin

I apologize if I'm not getting your point, but...I mean, Avatar is about 9-foot tall cat people who have sex with their tails. That's not what I think of when I think "grounded."

argh923

Troy Stiffler

You're being cynical. Avatar is about a disabled veteran who gets a chance to help a tribal colony that is being exploited by an enegry company. In the meantime, he developes a romantic relationship with one of the tribespeople. We're introduced to a power-hungry father figure who wants to be in charge of the situation, a humanitarian, a hippie-type looking to explore, a likeable soldier, etc.

Avatar was probably Cameron's most indulgent film yet. If he pushed the fantasy too far, it would have bombed.

Solid Snake

I thought I'd post this here too while I made the thread for the game as well.

Walmart has a deal where if you get the Sequel you get WfC free via download on 360 ONLY.

philly1981

would you care to share that on DR Phill ?

JumpCutz