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Tynder 06-20-11 07:54 PM

Sequel Torpedoes
 
One of the, if not the best sci-horror movies of all time was Alien and as hard as it is to create a sequel which parallels the original, the creators of Aliens met the challenge successfully and then had the chance to turn the helms over to a up-and-coming actor in the sci-fi arena with Michael Biehn(Terminator). The producers neglected and as a result, one of the greatest series, as well as the A caliber career of one of Hollywood's promising young actors was torpedoed(yes I'm saying their never was a good Alien after the 2nd and, besides a few average movies, namely, 'The Abyss' & 'The Art of War', to-date Biehn has not since been in a good movie).
Can you think of any other sequels that destroyed it's series? The 5th Friday the 13th is another that comes to mind.

MrSmearkase 06-20-11 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tynder (Post 10824895)
...besides 'The Art of War', Bein has never since been in a good movie). Does anybody agree or disagree with this?

I absolutely disagree.

The Abyss
Tombstone
The Rock
Planet Terror

Also, Michael Biehn was hardly a "proven actor in the sci-fi arena." Are you citing The Terminator as proof?

JumpCutz 06-20-11 08:04 PM

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OP...It's Michael Biehn.

He was also excellent in William Friedkin's Rampage.

Unfortunately his career never really took off due to his alcoholism.

Tynder 06-20-11 08:13 PM

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Thanks JumpCutz. Rampage, huh, never seen it. I'll have to pick it up, though Biehn wasn't in it.
MrSmearkase, 'Planet Terror', and 'Tombstone' were average, so was 'Navy Seals'. I forgot about these, I guess I should have checked(shrugs). 'The Rock' was overrated and below average in my opinion. But my point in the way of Biehn was that he had a chance to prove himself in a lead role and he was passed up, his career and I believe certainly the Alien series would have been better off if Weaver's character had been killed off instead of his.

Hokeyboy 06-20-11 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tynder (Post 10824895)
Can you think of any other sequels that destroyed it's series?

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...g?t=1278947898

Not that the original was some superior piece of filmmaking, but it was a totally fun B-movie. The sequel wrecked everything good about the original.

Solid Snake 06-20-11 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tynder (Post 10824895)
One of the, if not the best sci-horror movies of all time was Alien and as hard as it is to create a sequel which parallels the original, the creators of Aliens met the challenge successfully and then had the chance to turn the helms over to a up-and-coming actor in the sci-fi arena with Michael Biehn(Terminator). The producers neglected and as a result, one of the greatest series, as well as the A caliber career of one of Hollywood's promising young actors was torpedoed(yes I'm saying their never was a good Alien after the 2nd and, besides a few average movies, namely, 'Tombstone','The Abyss' & 'The Art of War', to-date Biehn has not since been in a good movie). Does anybody agree or disagree with this?
Can you think of any other sequels that destroyed it's series? The 5th Friday the 13th is another that comes to mind.

OP...you need to write better. Make better paragraphs and space them out...otherwise..it's an ugly clutter of text.

Spottedfeather 06-20-11 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy (Post 10824946)
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...g?t=1278947898

Not that the original was some superior piece of filmmaking, but it was a totally fun B-movie. The sequel wrecked everything good about the original.

Only for a short while, though. The tv series was great. The third movie was just alright. Definately better than the second movie.

Tynder 06-20-11 09:07 PM

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Yea thanks, my last edit occured about the same time as your post.

fumanstan 06-20-11 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 10824992)
OP...you need to write better. Make better paragraphs and space them out...otherwise..it's an ugly clutter of text.

Also, use... more... ellipsis.

Solid Snake 06-20-11 09:11 PM

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You love my ellipsis alone!

Numanoid 06-20-11 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 10825007)
Also, use... more... ellipsis.

:lol:

This thread has potential.

Numanoid 06-20-11 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 10825012)
You love my ellipsis alone!

Geez, you're just handing them to us. :lol:

whoopdido 06-20-11 09:18 PM

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Jaws 2. According to the article Spielberg just did with AICN, he has some great ideas for a Jaws sequel that he's not sharing. He would have done the sequel himself but he didn't want to spend any more time on the water. Unfortunately one of the best movies of all time has 3 shitty sequels, each one shittier than the last.

Solid Snake 06-20-11 09:20 PM

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:sad:

Hokeyboy 06-20-11 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 10825007)
Also, use... more... ellipsis.

EllipsEs! :mad:

Tynder 06-20-11 09:52 PM

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First Blood was great and most probably won't agree with this but 2 & 3 sucked. 4 was better than both, but still no where near as good as the original.

JumpCutz 06-20-11 11:08 PM

Re: Sequel Torpedoes
 

Originally Posted by Tynder (Post 10824932)
Rampage, huh, never seen it. I'll have to pick it up, though Biehn wasn't in it.

Yes...he was.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095958/

Tynder 06-20-11 11:19 PM

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Oh sorry, I looked up the Uwe Boll's Rampage(2009) by mistake, I'm off today, unfortunately it's my first day here.
They both look like they might be good.

fumanstan 06-20-11 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy (Post 10825031)
EllipsEs! :mad:

:sad:

JumpCutz 06-20-11 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tynder (Post 10825184)
Oh sorry, I looked up the Owe Boll's Rampage(2009) by mistake, I off today, unfortunately it's my first day here.
They both look like they might be good.

Actually Tynder, FWIW the film with Biehn is very good in it's original form. It hasn't been released on DVD/BD as of yet. The version available on the VHS is a truncated version that cuts out several minutes of footage and has a different ending. Stay away. Just wait until this little gem is released in it's uncut version before checking it out. I just happen to have the subpar VHS because I'm a William Friedkin completist.

Oh and...welcome to the forum.

Tynder 06-20-11 11:31 PM

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Damn. Thanks for tip... and the welcoming, I'm glad to be here.

PopcornTreeCt 06-20-11 11:35 PM

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I don't think movies were thought up as "franchises" back in the day. They kept making Rocky movies because people liked them. I don't think there were producers back in the 70's, 80's and even 90's that said we're going to make at least 3 films and probably more if this one film is successful. I think Hollywood is much more business-savvy nowadays. Disney saw POTC being successful so now they want as many POTC films as Depp agrees to work on.

Tynder 06-20-11 11:39 PM

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Fistful of Dollars, For a Few More Dollars and The Good, The Bad and The Ugly are the first to come to mind, I think it was intentional and extremely successful. Though your right in that there were far less.

TomOpus 06-20-11 11:41 PM

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The Matrix Reloaded?

Tynder 06-20-11 11:43 PM

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I agree, the first Matrix was the only good one, the other two felt a little sloppy.


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