bad scripts, good movies
#26
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Hard Boiled is a pretty strong candidate. If you listen to the commentary on the Criterion DVD, they reveal that they literally wrote the script as they went along. The scriptwriter died before the script was completed, so they shot the last 45 minutes without a script.
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Re: bad scripts, good movies
People keep answering this like there is an actual answer. Norme answered it on the first page:
A bad script executed well cannot exist; it was bad to start with. A good script executed poorly happens all the time.
A bad script cannot result in a good movie, whereas a good script can result in a bad movie.
#32
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A bad script will never result in a great movie, but plenty of entertaining movies started with bad scripts. A good cast, a good director, a good DP, or a good fight choreographer can make a badly-written movie enjoyable. Some people, like Vincent Price, specialize in making bad material sound good.
#33
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I disagree, I think a bad script can be made into a pretty decent movie with the right people at hand. Silent Hill, for instance, has an absolutely horrendous script and had the acting to match -- yet the visuals, atmosphere and general mood of the piece made it worth watching once.
Quality visuals, proper mood and good music can go a long way. When I think of movies, I usually think of atmosphere/mood of it before the story or dialog surfaces.
Quality visuals, proper mood and good music can go a long way. When I think of movies, I usually think of atmosphere/mood of it before the story or dialog surfaces.
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yeah...we see it all the time. Badly scripted stuff that turns out to be a pretty good movie.
Again...they mentioned HK flicks, well Ash did. HK action flicks...specifically the martial arts films....had a writer. I'm pretty sure that script was simple as shit and probably not the best written one either. Think about that. 36th Chambers of Shaolin...imagine reading that. And it's a classic.
Ray Harryhausen films...LISTEN to those people talking and pay attention to what they're doing. Simple as shit and horribly acted. Classics...and they're solid films.
Again...they mentioned HK flicks, well Ash did. HK action flicks...specifically the martial arts films....had a writer. I'm pretty sure that script was simple as shit and probably not the best written one either. Think about that. 36th Chambers of Shaolin...imagine reading that. And it's a classic.
Ray Harryhausen films...LISTEN to those people talking and pay attention to what they're doing. Simple as shit and horribly acted. Classics...and they're solid films.
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Temple of Doom
Maybe not the worst script ever, but the script is definately the worst thing about the film.
Harison Ford doing the role he was born to play, John Williams best score, great photography, great locations, great sets, incredible special effects, and above all Spielberg's decision to go fast, fast, fast, one thing after another, always raising the stakes, turns a TERRIBLE script filled with cliches, bad dialog, and a tedious love interest character into pure gold. Furthermore, Spielberg gets great performances out of every character actor and even some amateurs (like the Indian elder in the village).
And I say phooey to everyone who is saying "it's impossible". We've sited many examples, from low art like Harreyhausen and HK action flicks to high art like Godard, it's been done.
Maybe not the worst script ever, but the script is definately the worst thing about the film.
Harison Ford doing the role he was born to play, John Williams best score, great photography, great locations, great sets, incredible special effects, and above all Spielberg's decision to go fast, fast, fast, one thing after another, always raising the stakes, turns a TERRIBLE script filled with cliches, bad dialog, and a tedious love interest character into pure gold. Furthermore, Spielberg gets great performances out of every character actor and even some amateurs (like the Indian elder in the village).
And I say phooey to everyone who is saying "it's impossible". We've sited many examples, from low art like Harreyhausen and HK action flicks to high art like Godard, it's been done.
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#39
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I saw it in theaters when I was 14... twice. I thought it was AWESOME!!! Then a few years later I realized what a hunk of shit it was. A cartoon. A piece of nothingness. Entertaining? Sure. But not what I'd call a good movie. The original Rocky was more entertaining while being significantly less crappy.
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The Passion of Joan of Arc
#43
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There are some people who only recognise a very limited type of movie as being "good". Sometimes they're the same people who used to bitch about The Rock and Armageddon being released by Criterion..
#44
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yeah...we see it all the time. Badly scripted stuff that turns out to be a pretty good movie.
Again...they mentioned HK flicks, well Ash did. HK action flicks...specifically the martial arts films....had a writer. I'm pretty sure that script was simple as shit and probably not the best written one either. Think about that. 36th Chambers of Shaolin...imagine reading that. And it's a classic.
Again...they mentioned HK flicks, well Ash did. HK action flicks...specifically the martial arts films....had a writer. I'm pretty sure that script was simple as shit and probably not the best written one either. Think about that. 36th Chambers of Shaolin...imagine reading that. And it's a classic.
#45
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I'd say Avatar would be a good example. The script is a completely unoriginal bland mess but the film itself, while certainly not great, is definitely worth watching for the entertaining visuals.
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I think Fast Five would fit the bill not that I think of it.
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I think Suspiria is a perfect example of a great movie with a bad script. Lady in the Water has a horrible script, but is otherwise a superb film, in terms of acting, direction, cinematography, and soundtrack. I realize a lot of people think it's a bad film because of its weak script, but I think its a good movie nonetheless. Only God Forgives has a bad script and I thought Refn made a very good film out of what he had. Thoughts on these three films?
#48
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With a good script, a good director can produce a masterpiece. With the same script, a mediocre director can produce a passable film. But with a bad script even a good director can't possibly make a good film. - Akira Kurosawa
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The original Night of the Living Dead doesn't have a very good script, but that's not really why people love the movie.



